Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on March 05, 2006, 12:25:28 AM
Post by: gtnicol on March 05, 2006, 12:25:28 AM
I have a cube with a Canon L10130 drive, instead of the regular NeXT drive. It appears that this is a 650MB drive, but I haven't found any real information on these drives, despite a bit of spelunking. I'd like to get some media so I can see if the drive works, so I need to know sector sizes etc.
Does anyone have a manual for these things?
Does anyone have a manual for these things?
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 20, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 20, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: "pentium"QuoteFWIW. I have a few cubes with Canon L10130 drives in them. These machines all came from a university.Do they work?
I just tested these with NeXT media and they don't work. That said, I *believe* these are 512M drives... the same as in Canofile(?) storage subsystem. I actually have a number of these drives... maybe 6 or 7. I'm going to see if I can find a blank disk for these somewhere.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: nextchef on October 20, 2007, 11:58:39 AM
Post by: nextchef on October 20, 2007, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: "gtnicol"Quote from: "pentium"QuoteFWIW. I have a few cubes with Canon L10130 drives in them. These machines all came from a university.Do they work?
I just tested these with NeXT media and they don't work. That said, I *believe* these are 512M drives... the same as in Canofile(?) storage subsystem. I actually have a number of these drives... maybe 6 or 7. I'm going to see if I can find a blank disk for these somewhere.
There are a few vendors who still sell the disks, but they are usually $50-$100 each, at least the last time I checked. You might check ebay as well, as there were a few people selling off old MO stock that had them.
Bummer that they could not read the NeXT disks, which leads me to believe that a different mechanism must have been used in the NeXT drives. So what is the "rated" capacity of the original NeXT drives that came in the cube? Were they also 256M per side media as well?
Chef
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 20, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
Post by: gtnicol on October 20, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"
Bummer that they could not read the NeXT disks, which leads me to believe that a different mechanism must have been used in the NeXT drives. So what is the "rated" capacity of the original NeXT drives that came in the cube? Were they also 256M per side media as well?
Chef
The NeXT drives are 256M, so I thought I might be able to turn the over and have it work. No go. That said, I need to get some proper media for these drives and verify that they're actually working before I give up. Like I said, I have a number of them.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: pentium on October 20, 2007, 05:47:09 PM
Post by: pentium on October 20, 2007, 05:47:09 PM
Where the heck would you find a 256/512 meg MO drive of any brand these days?
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: nextchef on October 20, 2007, 06:09:16 PM
Post by: nextchef on October 20, 2007, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: "pentium"Where the heck would you find a 256/512 meg MO drive of any brand these days?
A google search finds 3 vendors selling "refurbished" or just plain "used" Canon drives from $700 to $1500. I would guess they are still in need to support the Canofile/Diskfile market.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: pentium on October 20, 2007, 10:54:37 PM
Post by: pentium on October 20, 2007, 10:54:37 PM
okay, let me update that question.
Where the heck would you find a 256/512 meg MO drive of any brand these days that is not priced by a retard.
My god. $700 for something like this is highway robbery! have they not heard of depreciation? You could get away with those prices in the early 90's but in 2007 that's insane.
Going back on topic....
Is there no way that we can run these drive on a linux system? Thare's not many things linux can't mount or at the least run ddrescue* on.
*Application that you can download that will read media block-by-block and save it to a file. Works great for recovering hosed partitions.
Where the heck would you find a 256/512 meg MO drive of any brand these days that is not priced by a retard.
My god. $700 for something like this is highway robbery! have they not heard of depreciation? You could get away with those prices in the early 90's but in 2007 that's insane.
Going back on topic....
Is there no way that we can run these drive on a linux system? Thare's not many things linux can't mount or at the least run ddrescue* on.
*Application that you can download that will read media block-by-block and save it to a file. Works great for recovering hosed partitions.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: helf on October 20, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
Post by: helf on October 20, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
pentium, you get people that want to cash in on "rare, collectible computer hardware" selling crap. I've seen NOT RARE stuff being sold for a ton of money. Like one guy who tried to sell me a "super rare commodore 64" for 300 bucks. I laughed and went and bought one with 2 floppy drives for 10usd on ebay ;P
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 12:50:47 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 12:50:47 AM
Quote from: "pentium"
Going back on topic....
Is there no way that we can run these drive on a linux system? Thare's not many things linux can't mount or at the least run ddrescue* on.
*Application that you can download that will read media block-by-block and save it to a file. Works great for recovering hosed partitions.
I have a 50pin SCSI to MO adapter that at least appears to work. Again, until I get media, I can't verify that the canon drives are working, but if they do work, then you should be able to access them as just another SCSI drive.
Title: mo drives
Post by: neozeed on October 21, 2007, 01:46:21 AM
Post by: neozeed on October 21, 2007, 01:46:21 AM
Dont forget the MO drives on the cubes aren't SCSI...
I'm sure it all sounded like a good thing 1988...
I'm sure it all sounded like a good thing 1988...
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 01:59:33 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 01:59:33 AM
I have a SCSI interface card for the MO drives.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: pentium on October 21, 2007, 02:51:19 AM
Post by: pentium on October 21, 2007, 02:51:19 AM
QuoteI have a SCSI interface card for the MO drives.:shock:
Pictures, please!
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
Image on flikr.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: helf on October 21, 2007, 11:16:13 AM
Post by: helf on October 21, 2007, 11:16:13 AM
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Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
Post by: gtnicol on October 21, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: "helf""This photo is private.
Oops! You don't have permission to view this photo."
:)
In case you hadn't figured, it's the first time I ever used flickr ;) I fixed the permissions on it.
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: pentium on October 21, 2007, 03:37:16 PM
Post by: pentium on October 21, 2007, 03:37:16 PM
hmmm, it looks almost like the adapter in my sony MO drive but in that case it goes ESDI to SCSI. Has it ever been tested?
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: Bioheath on December 31, 2007, 11:18:11 AM
Post by: Bioheath on December 31, 2007, 11:18:11 AM
Just some more information for the discussion... I found this a while back on 9to5computer's website. It is from a 1996 Imation list of optical drive media compatibility. (http://www.9to5computer.com/OPTICAL%20DISK%20COMPATIBILITY%20GUIDE.htm)
Drive Manufacturer, Drive Model Number, Size, 3M Product
CANON CANOFILE 250 5.25" RW NONE
CANON MO-5001S 5.25" RW NONE
CANON NEXT 5.25" RW 15175, 15176
CANON OM-500D 5.25" RW NONE
This is the only place I have seen Canon NeXT listed, and it lists is differently from the other Canon products such as the Canofile 250. Anyone have any 15175 or 15176 media to test?
Also, do you think a cleaning kit for a 15175/15176 compatible drive might work for a NeXT drive?
Drive Manufacturer, Drive Model Number, Size, 3M Product
CANON CANOFILE 250 5.25" RW NONE
CANON MO-5001S 5.25" RW NONE
CANON NEXT 5.25" RW 15175, 15176
CANON OM-500D 5.25" RW NONE
This is the only place I have seen Canon NeXT listed, and it lists is differently from the other Canon products such as the Canofile 250. Anyone have any 15175 or 15176 media to test?
Also, do you think a cleaning kit for a 15175/15176 compatible drive might work for a NeXT drive?
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: nextchef on December 31, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
Post by: nextchef on December 31, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: "Bioheath"Just some more information for the discussion... I found this a while back on 9to5computer's website. It is from a 1996 Imation list of optical drive media compatibility. (http://www.9to5computer.com/OPTICAL%20DISK%20COMPATIBILITY%20GUIDE.htm)
Drive Manufacturer, Drive Model Number, Size, 3M Product
CANON CANOFILE 250 5.25" RW NONE
CANON MO-5001S 5.25" RW NONE
CANON NEXT 5.25" RW 15175, 15176
CANON OM-500D 5.25" RW NONE
This is the only place I have seen Canon NeXT listed, and it lists is differently from the other Canon products such as the Canofile 250. Anyone have any 15175 or 15176 media to test?
Also, do you think a cleaning kit for a 15175/15176 compatible drive might work for a NeXT drive?
That is very interesting, and might mean that the NeXT drive could use more types of media than the other Canon ODU's. Here is a link to the media mentioned, with a little more info and a pic of the packaging, and media available for purchase. One is a 512 Bytes/sector format, and the other is 1024 Bytes/sector.
http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=15175
http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=15176
Has anyone confirmed the use of canofile/diskfile media in a NeXT drive?
Chef
Title: Canofile S5001 & L10130 Optical Disk.
Post by: bgulko on July 07, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Post by: bgulko on July 07, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
While this is likely a dead thread, I have successfully used these (L10130) as a NeXT drive replacement for several years. They read & write both the old one-sided NeXT OD's and the CMO-502 dual sided magnetic media. The CMO502 could also be read / written by the original NeXT drives, while those drives still functioned.
The L10130 drives are no longer made by Canon (stopped in 1995 or so) but most are newer than the youngest NeXT optical Drives (last made around 1991/2). The L1030 are NOT SCSI drives, but use the same proprietary interface connector as the NeXT optical drives. However, the L10130 typically came in a full-sized external chassis the included a circuit board that converted the proprietary connector to a SCSI connector.
I was never able to get a Windows or even the NeXT system to recognize the OD's in a chassis via the SCSI interface, which his a shame, because the interface boards in those external enclosures seemed to make whatever optical drive was in them a little more robust (perhaps more fault tolerant retry circuitry). Drives that would not accept an OD in the NeXT would accept and spin up the OD in the chassis.
I hope this helps someone out there.... :)
--Brad
The L10130 drives are no longer made by Canon (stopped in 1995 or so) but most are newer than the youngest NeXT optical Drives (last made around 1991/2). The L1030 are NOT SCSI drives, but use the same proprietary interface connector as the NeXT optical drives. However, the L10130 typically came in a full-sized external chassis the included a circuit board that converted the proprietary connector to a SCSI connector.
I was never able to get a Windows or even the NeXT system to recognize the OD's in a chassis via the SCSI interface, which his a shame, because the interface boards in those external enclosures seemed to make whatever optical drive was in them a little more robust (perhaps more fault tolerant retry circuitry). Drives that would not accept an OD in the NeXT would accept and spin up the OD in the chassis.
I hope this helps someone out there.... :)
--Brad
Title: Canon L10130 MO Drive
Post by: nextchef on July 20, 2009, 10:07:11 AM
Post by: nextchef on July 20, 2009, 10:07:11 AM
bgulko,
Thanks for the additional info, and clarification that this drive will indeed work. Still kicking myself about this, as I used to have a stack of these drives in the external chassis in storage at a previous employer. The only ones I see now for sale now are in the $400-700 range from the specialty drive salvage experts.
Chef
Thanks for the additional info, and clarification that this drive will indeed work. Still kicking myself about this, as I used to have a stack of these drives in the external chassis in storage at a previous employer. The only ones I see now for sale now are in the $400-700 range from the specialty drive salvage experts.
Chef