Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 06:55:18 AM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 06:55:18 AM
I have both Parallels & VMWare ---
Basically, I swapped my ColorStation Turbo for a copy of NeXTSTEP, figuring that I could get NS up and running on Parallels / VMWare, but it's NS 3.1
I've noticed that the floppy images at Apple are for NS 3.2 & 3.3... would these work?
Is there any way to 'upgrade' 3.1 to 3.3?
I downloaded an .iso of 3.3, but neither MacOS X or Windows can mount it -- 'bad filesystem'
What would be nice is someone posting ready-installed VMs of NS and OS for both Parallels and VMWare...
Other than that, I'll be thankful for any advice...
TIA,
Basically, I swapped my ColorStation Turbo for a copy of NeXTSTEP, figuring that I could get NS up and running on Parallels / VMWare, but it's NS 3.1
I've noticed that the floppy images at Apple are for NS 3.2 & 3.3... would these work?
Is there any way to 'upgrade' 3.1 to 3.3?
I downloaded an .iso of 3.3, but neither MacOS X or Windows can mount it -- 'bad filesystem'
What would be nice is someone posting ready-installed VMs of NS and OS for both Parallels and VMWare...
Other than that, I'll be thankful for any advice...
TIA,
Title: Re: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 09:45:52 AM
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: "spetznatz"I have both Parallels & VMWare ---
Basically, I swapped my ColorStation Turbo for a copy of NeXTSTEP, figuring that I could get NS up and running on Parallels / VMWare, but it's NS 3.1
I've noticed that the floppy images at Apple are for NS 3.2 & 3.3... would these work?
Is there any way to 'upgrade' 3.1 to 3.3?
I downloaded an .iso of 3.3, but neither MacOS X or Windows can mount it -- 'bad filesystem'
What would be nice is someone posting ready-installed VMs of NS and OS for both Parallels and VMWare...
Other than that, I'll be thankful for any advice...
TIA,
Ok, as far as I can recall, 3.1 is SCSI only. So unless you have a machine with SCSI, or an emulator that can emulate the SCSI adapter that is supported you are SOL.
Yes there is an upgrade path from all the 3.x to 3.3.
The ISO will *NOT* mount under windows/osx as it's not ISO 9660, it's actually 4.3 UFS. Of which linux could mount with enough UFS options...
I've heard of people using the 3.3 boot disks on the 3.x media and installing it...
Now for the 3.3 stuff it has IDE drivers for both the CD & the disks, so you can install that...
It sounds like you need an install guide... I've posted one along in the qemu area but the pictures are 'down' at the moment... if there was some place to store them long term I'd put them there and relink the article....
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 09:48:51 AM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 09:48:51 AM
Well, I decided to go ahead and try it with the 3.3 images, following the instructions here: (http://software.jonandnic.com/hack/installing-nextstep-33-on-vmware-6)
It gets to this stage and stops:
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Anyone have any ideas?
I don't have a floppy drive to make an image of the 3.1 boot disk -- does anyone have one they could mail me?
TIA,
It gets to this stage and stops:
[/img]Anyone have any ideas?
I don't have a floppy drive to make an image of the 3.1 boot disk -- does anyone have one they could mail me?
TIA,
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: Zardoz on August 05, 2008, 09:53:12 AM
Post by: Zardoz on August 05, 2008, 09:53:12 AM
NS3.3 don´t work with any VM on Intel Macs.
Use Openstep 4.2 (Intel)!
Use Openstep 4.2 (Intel)!
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 09:58:14 AM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 09:58:14 AM
Thanks, Zardoz --
But I have 3.1, not 3.3...
Woher kriege ich 'ne kopie von OpenSTEP 4.2? EDIT: Ach, ich hab deine PM gerade gesehen...
But I have 3.1, not 3.3...
Woher kriege ich 'ne kopie von OpenSTEP 4.2? EDIT: Ach, ich hab deine PM gerade gesehen...
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: "Zardoz"NS3.3 don´t work with any VM on Intel Macs.
Use Openstep 4.2 (Intel)!
Qemu can.
Don't forget Virtual Box
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
neozeed --
I tried VirtualBox...it got further, but stops here (I chose the first adaptec adapter, then IDE bus controller as the drivers, from the 3.3 driver floppy disk.)
Might this be because I'm not using the correct boot floppy? Is there anywhere I can get a 3.1 boot floppy image?
And shortly thereafter, I got this:
TIA
I tried VirtualBox...it got further, but stops here (I chose the first adaptec adapter, then IDE bus controller as the drivers, from the 3.3 driver floppy disk.)
Might this be because I'm not using the correct boot floppy? Is there anywhere I can get a 3.1 boot floppy image?
And shortly thereafter, I got this:
TIA
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 01:28:58 PM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 01:28:58 PM
neozeed --
Sorry -- I didn't see your first reply... how would I go about upgrading my 3.1 to 3.3?
Sorry -- I didn't see your first reply... how would I go about upgrading my 3.1 to 3.3?
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: "spetznatz"neozeed --You would have to install the 3.1 first...
Sorry -- I didn't see your first reply... how would I go about upgrading my 3.1 to 3.3?
I'd try the 3.1 CD with the 3.3 floppies....
If that doesn't work, try the 3.3 ISO you uh "found"...
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
neozeed --
Well, 3.1 with 3.3 floppies didn't work. Neither did 3.3 disk (iso) with 3.3 floppies (under Pllels) going to try with VMware. Apparently only VGA resolution is available under VirtualBox.
And my 4.2 OpenSTEP download was at at 173/176 MB when I had a kernel panic...now I can't get the damn thing re-started again...
Is it worth it, I ask myself?
EDIT: VMWare was a no-go as well...it got a lot further, but still ended in a panic (never got to the graphical installer). I followed the instructions here: (http://software.jonandnic.com/hack/installing-nextstep-33-on-vmware-6)
Of course, I'm not using VMWare 6...it's VMWare fusion for OS X. Might there be other device driver combinations that would work?
Well, 3.1 with 3.3 floppies didn't work. Neither did 3.3 disk (iso) with 3.3 floppies (under Pllels) going to try with VMware. Apparently only VGA resolution is available under VirtualBox.
And my 4.2 OpenSTEP download was at at 173/176 MB when I had a kernel panic...now I can't get the damn thing re-started again...
Is it worth it, I ask myself?
EDIT: VMWare was a no-go as well...it got a lot further, but still ended in a panic (never got to the graphical installer). I followed the instructions here: (http://software.jonandnic.com/hack/installing-nextstep-33-on-vmware-6)
Of course, I'm not using VMWare 6...it's VMWare fusion for OS X. Might there be other device driver combinations that would work?
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 04:25:02 PM
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: "spetznatz"neozeed --
Well, 3.1 with 3.3 floppies didn't work. Neither did 3.3 disk (iso) with 3.3 floppies (under Pllels) going to try with VMware. Apparently only VGA resolution is available under VirtualBox.
And my 4.2 OpenSTEP download was at at 173/176 MB when I had a kernel panic...now I can't get the damn thing re-started again...
Is it worth it, I ask myself?
EDIT: VMWare was a no-go as well...it got a lot further, but still ended in a panic (never got to the graphical installer). I followed the instructions here: (http://software.jonandnic.com/hack/installing-nextstep-33-on-vmware-6)
Of course, I'm not using VMWare 6...it's VMWare fusion for OS X. Might there be other device driver combinations that would work?
I've used that virtual box & qemu...
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 04:43:22 PM
Post by: spetznatz on August 05, 2008, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: "neozeed"
I've used that virtual box & qemu...
How....?
Sorry for all the q's...I'm new to this and finding it rather frustrating...
Title: I have a copy of NeXTSTEP 3.1 -- what are my options?
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 06:05:17 PM
Post by: neozeed on August 05, 2008, 06:05:17 PM
Quote from: "spetznatz"Quote from: "neozeed"
I've used that virtual box & qemu...
How....?
Sorry for all the q's...I'm new to this and finding it rather frustrating...
Don't worry, I'm just multitasking like crazy here... ;)
First download that virtualbox, then you'll want those 3 nextstep floppies... The boot, beta & Core disks...
I'll probably have to download it & re-install it again as I went back to Qemu since it's faster...