Was doing some podcast scanning and came across an episode of FLOSS weekly (one of the TWiT network netcasts) that discusses GNUstep. Have not had a chance to listen to it, but its in my queue. As GNUstep seems to be an open source implementation of the NS/OS frameworks, and still is showing continual development, thought it might be of interest to those in here. Link to the page below.
http://www.twit.tv/floss44Chef
I listened to the podcast, it was kind of painful to listen to. The main GNUStep project guy has trouble forming coherent and understandable sentences.
Just finished listening to it, and I have to agree it was not the best podcast experience.
It really seemed like they did not have a plan for what they were going to say, or even what Leo and Randall wanted to ask. Apparently the live stream was even worse, lots of dead air and babble that had to be edited out. They did talk for a few minutes about how they loved NeXT hardware, especially the cube, which was neat to hear. One thing I did find interesting was the statement by Gregory, the lead developer, that there has been good success compiling older NS/OS apps to run against GNUstep. Assuming source code is available, it may be a way to get some of our favorite NS/OS apps to run natively in linux/bsd or even windows. :shock:
I was hoping for a better show, but at least a few good NeXT related references to not make it a total waste.
Chef
nextchef,
GNUstep can be used to build and run older OpenStep based applications on Windows, Linux, BSD, Solaris and more. It also can, and has, been used to build Cocoa applications such as Bean and Flexisheet (see my blog at
http://heronsperch.blogspot.com for more information about this) and quite a few more.
There are a number of GNUstep based projects in existence, you can see links to them on the GNUstep wiki or on the gnustep.org website or just by searching Google. ;)
As I said on the podcast, GNUstep's aim is to be Cocoa compatible AND OpenStep compatible.
I hope this helps. :)
Sincerely,
Gregory Casamento
-- GNUstep Lead Developer
Welcome to the forum Gregory, and thanks for the info and links.
As I stated in my earlier post, I was really excited when I saw GNUstep was going to be discussed on FLOSS. As much as I love using my "black" hardware, there will come a day when it and NS/OS that runs on it will be too difficult to keep running in a useful way. The herculean effort of kb7sqi and others to backport software, and the ability to run NS/OS in emulation, will certainly help postpone this problem for a bit longer. In my mind GNUstep could be a way to bring forward the programs and GUI/Interface principles we love to a more "modern" (or at least a more actively supported and patched) OS environment. The intention of GNUstep to stay OpenStep compatible should make this possible, assuming we have source code for the apps.
I know this was an older post, but seriously,
As bad as this podcast was, it makes sense, same buggy, full of holes and unstable as GNUstep itself...
If you could even compile native GNUstep apps in it, besides OS/NS apps...
Pleeeeze. It is always broken or unstable everywhere, I have tried.
And that doesnt say alot.
I have to change an experience opinion in my past post.
Seems some really useful work HAS been made in the gnustep bases for 1.19.
Still some hokey screen redraws exist, never plays with X friendly at all levels, (not a fault of gnustep, when resources to keep up are lean I suppose).
I was finally able to use some work for the new browser I am working on, to look and reverse some tight stuff in the project.
It held together for the first time, and ran the ssl framework I am coding for the OS/GNUstep vers I am building.
One problem though, the stable build I got was only on Debian Squeeze testing, which is broken between ipv6 in kernel and DNS host resolves back AAAA record drops...
So, cant even check the browser on it, and a back to GS 1.16 broke.
So, I apologize to Gregory, in that they ARE still working on it, to a point, but slowly. Now if it can get the FreeBSD guys to move on the 1.19 base, I would be a very happy camper, but I digress...
Quote from: "armus2112"I listened to the podcast, it was kind of painful to listen to. The main GNUStep project guy has trouble forming coherent and understandable sentences.
Armus,
When you have a project as large as GNUstep of your own and try to explain everything about it into a 45 minute podcast, then you can feel very free to criticize me and my delivery on FLOSS Weekly #44, until then... well :). Also, I am not the world's greatest public speaker, but I can form coherent and understandable sentences without any issues whatsoever.
In the year or so since the podcast I have gotten much better at public speaking. I have been giving talks at various places around the country to try and build support and community for the project.
I have to be honest and say that, originally, I was very offended by your posting, :shock: but I got over it, since I have much more important things to do. ;)
Later, Greg C.
Quote from: "nextchef"J <snip> Apparently the live stream was even worse, lots of dead air and babble that had to be edited out. <snip>
"Dead Air" and "Babble"??? What you heard on the podcast recording is precisely what was said in the interview. I listened to the recording right afterwards and there there was no editing.
:P
GC
Quote from: "jaallen"<snip> So, I apologize to Gregory, in that they ARE still working on it, to a point, but slowly. Now if it can get the FreeBSD guys to move on the 1.19 base, I would be a very happy camper, but I digress... <snip>
It is really better to get GNUstep from source on GNA. It's much more stable if you do that. Quite often, for some reason, the packagers mess it up or there are old and outdated packages out there and, when people use them, they get bad impressions of the project.
If you would like GNUstep to get better, stop asking for us to do more work and HELP US make it better. Much has been done in the past year and there's still much more to do.
Later, GC