Okay, i bought NeXTSTEP 3.3 Intel on ebay. Both floppies and CD. Would installing it on my PC be the same as using an emulator? Or is there some steps to take? Thanks, bye.
What are your PCs specs? chipset/ide controller/etc
Pentium 3... 667MHz, 256 MB RAM, 20.5 GB WDC Primary IDE hard drive, Secondary is IDE DVD-ROM, Slave is 13.5 GB WDC HD, ATI RAGE 128, D-Link 100Mbps, Standard 3 1/2" floppy drive BIOS is Award Medallion 1999
with energy star :)
That's about it. Oh, Mouse is Microsoft Wheel Mouse PS/2, Keyboard is IBM PS/2. monitor 15" VGA 1024x768.
Anything else you need, just let me know. :D
yeah the steps would pretty much be the same as an emulator....
I just put a 320 GB disk in my white box (if only it'd use it all......). But there was a jumper setting to knock it down to 32gb ....
Otherwise, nothing much else to expect, video/sound/network cards will be the 'hard part' to track down...
There is no VESA for us NS 3.3 users..
sorry it took so long, I was waiting for the package to come in. Anyway it boots of the install disk fine, but when it asks for the drivers disk, I get this:
loading binary for ps2keyboard driver
Reading configuration file '/private/drivers/i386/ps2keyboard.config/default.table'.
Loading binary for EISABus device driver
Biosread error 0x10 @ 2124, C:59 h:0 s:0
And it repeats that 3 times and says error loading EISABus. It does the same for PCIBus driver then it says bn 1098: directory read error. Then it just hangs.
What can I do?
Thanks.
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huh, I've never seen that. Do you know what your actual chipset is? 440bx, i810, etc etc?
It's i820... Do you think the BIOS is too new? It's creation was in 1999....
Thanks.
Oh, and the error happens while it's loading the core drivers.
It's a custom PC... no particular brand. It's in an Accel microsystems case, but it's custom.
UPDATE------ I took out the ethernet and sound cards, which got rid of the PCIBus error, however there is still the ESIABus error. This continues to the the "Searching for drivers" screen. But has the same BIOSread error.
Ideas?
Check your BIOS version. If it's old, update (flash) the BIOS to the latest greatest revision.
I'll try that!
My motherboard is an ASUS P3C-2000, so ill update it.
That didn't help NEXTSTEP load either. Do you think the disk is corrupted? I was thinking of downloading the disk image for the drivers from apple, but my mac can't read the '.floppyimage' format. Not even if i change the extension to .img, or .image. How can i make a floppy of those images?
Would using the dd command in Terminal work?
Thanks.
I created my Openstep boot floppies in Windows XP using this program:
http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwriteif you do not have windows, then it may be possible to use mac os x and the 'dd' command although I've never tried it personally:
http://fixunix.com/powerpc/13479-mac-equivalent-rawrite-dd.htmlI have to ask though: have you considered installing OpenStep 4.2 instead of NextStep? I can point you to where to 'acquire' OpenStep 4.2. I believe it's safe to say that OpenStep 4.2 is more compatible with more white hardware.
(I used to own that exact MB (ASUS P3C-2000) years ago, but it died. I had only used it for linux)
Okay, i'll try rawwrite on my PC (it has Windows ME)
And, yes, i actually wanted to go with OPENSTEP originally, but couldn't find it on ebay. But, i'll give nextstep a try, then keep you posted if i need openstep
Thanks to you all for your continuous support.
I used rawwrite to put the 3.3 drivers image to a floppy, and it loaded the core drivers, no problem. So i'm guessing the drivers disk i got with nextstep was bad (it's over 10 years old... i'm not surprised that it was damaged)
Anyway for about an hour, i was trying to figure out which driver to use for my CD drive. i used the 'beta drivers' disk for the HD, and it detected the HD okay, but not the CD drive. It asks for the root device when it gets to the Mach boot session.
What driver should/can i use?
My CD drive is a Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1302.
Thanks.
Since it is a DVD drive, you may have issues with it. Do you have a spare, plain, CD-ROM?
Quote from: "cjbriare"
Anyway for about an hour, i was trying to figure out which driver to use for my CD drive. i used the 'beta drivers' disk for the HD, and it detected the HD okay, but not the CD drive. It asks for the root device when it gets to the Mach boot session.
Which of the drivers in the "beta drivers" disk did you select? I sort of recall of having to choose the Dual IDE controller or something...
Yeah, i was worried about that. I will go to the thrift store sometime next week and try to find one.
I'll post an update when i get another drive.
-Thanks
On my Openstep 4.2 box, I have a DVD+R drive working, I mean it reads CDs just fine. Pretty sure it's using a generic cd-rom driver. I think if a drive conforms to an older ATAPI specification, it will work. I had another dvd-drive which DIDN'T work however. So trying an older cd-rom is probably a good idea.
yeah, I had two DVD drives I tried initially in my old x86 OS4.2 machine and I never could get either to work. Had to pop in an old CD drive.
I got a new cd drive, it's a TEAC CD-532E-B, however, i still don't know which driver to use, i tried all the drivers on the drivers disk, but, i don't know which to use, can i make a custom disk? With the needed driver?
Thanks!
Quote from: "cjbriare"I got a new cd drive, it's a TEAC CD-532E-B...
People suggest using an old CD-ROM drive, and you buy a new one?
Frankly, you need to remember what you are working with. This is 1996 software, and the further from 1996 hardware you get, the less likely it will run correctly. Yes, with Patch 4 in 1999 we got a small bump forward in time hardware wise, but not much.
I would (if I were you) start with the assumption that none of this newer hardware is going to work, and if it does then it is a pleasant surprise. But what I see here is the equivalent of attempting to put a round peg in a square hole.
Both
armus2112 and
helf gave you sound advice (get an old CD-ROM drive)... you should listen to them.
Sorry, I mislead you. It's an old drive from a thrift store!
Quote from: "cjbriare"Sorry, I mislead you. It's an old drive from a thrift store!
So in other words it was new to you... Okay.
Well, when working problems like this, I suggest drawing a diagram of the system. For example: floppy drive to memory seems to work, but it doesn't see the CD-ROM drive. If you know the CD-ROM drive works, then something in between must be getting in the way.
You can try a number of drivers during the opening part of the installation. Try a couple at a time... there is only a finite number of them available (including from the beta drivers floppies).
I was googling around and found a site that tells you how to set up NS 3.3 on VMware, and i thought i'd try those steps on my PC. Okay, here's what I did:
Boot from floppy, Ok.
Load core drivers, Ok.
Select driver #4, Adaptec 2940, Ok.
Inserted 3.3 Beta drivers disk, Ok.
Selected 7 to see more, then chose #2, Primary/Secondary(Dual)IDE/EIDE for the HD. Ok.
Continued with no further drivers. It detected the CD drive, booted off the NS cd, chose to erase all HD space for NS, and it said wtfs: not available Initialization Failed! then reboots the computer.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Quote from: "cjbriare"
Boot from floppy, Ok.
Load core drivers, Ok.
Select driver #4, Adaptec 2940, Ok.
Inserted 3.3 Beta drivers disk, Ok.
Selected 7 to see more, then chose #2, Primary/Secondary(Dual)IDE/EIDE for the HD. Ok.
I can't remember if NEXTSTEP 3.3 allows it, but does it let you choose the beta driver Dual IDE right after the core drivers? From your description, your PC does not have an Adaptec SCSI card. I had to install an actual 2940 card when I tried to install NEXTSTEP years ago. The Dual IDE driver has been moved into the OPENSTEP 4.2 drivers disk and I could select that right from the start.
I got it installed and running! Yay!
However, i need to configure the video card right. Sound and networking are not important. The current scheme is 800x600 at B&W.
I tried to reconfigure the display, and i either get: No changes, just the same as it was before or, my monitor says: out of range after reboot.
What can/should i do?
I have an ATI Rage 128 All-in-wonder (it has the cable TV input, s-video output, etc.)
or... would i need to get an older video card? (i hope not.)
Thanks.
Do i install every package available to download? Because some of them were like RISC and 68k...
Im removing this topic because i already installed it.