Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 21, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Post by: slynce on March 21, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Hi!
A week ago I built a VMware NextStep 3.3 machine. It's amazing what OS existed in the late 1994!!!
Now I am having quite a time downloading and installing nextStep software from this forum's resourses.
The only programme I can't find is "Shakespear". I watched the video where Steve Jobs boasts his ne NextStep 3.3 and shows the software.
Can you help me find it?
Any jints and ideas - welcome!
Thanks in advance,
Yours Svetlozar Vasilev
A week ago I built a VMware NextStep 3.3 machine. It's amazing what OS existed in the late 1994!!!
Now I am having quite a time downloading and installing nextStep software from this forum's resourses.
The only programme I can't find is "Shakespear". I watched the video where Steve Jobs boasts his ne NextStep 3.3 and shows the software.
Can you help me find it?
Any jints and ideas - welcome!
Thanks in advance,
Yours Svetlozar Vasilev
Title: Re: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 05:44:34 AM
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 05:44:34 AM
Quote from: "slynce"
The only programme I can't find is "Shakespear".
As far as i remember correctly the Shakespeare Digital Library was one of the reasons (another one was AFAIK a special Steve Jobs mail) to keep the "golden" NeXTstep3 CD.
So the answer is: you need that CD to install.
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 22, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Post by: slynce on March 22, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Andreas, sorry if my question sounds dumb, but - did you mean the install Nextstep 3 CD or some other Nextestep 3 CD. (I'm a novice to this OS - so this explains the question). Many thanks for your tip. Waiting for ideas where to obtain the NextStep 3 CD ( with Shakespeare digital library) from! ;)
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 12:49:57 PM
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: "slynce"Andreas, sorry if my question sounds dumb, but - did you mean the install Nextstep 3 CD
Yes this one:
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 22, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
Post by: slynce on March 22, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
Thanks for the picture Andreas!!!
I still feel little confused, though! I've got the CD and there is no Shakespear in it. (or is Shakespeare another name for Librarian.app the OS selfinstals at the beginning?).
Thanks again for the help so far ;)
I still feel little confused, though! I've got the CD and there is no Shakespear in it. (or is Shakespeare another name for Librarian.app the OS selfinstals at the beginning?).
Thanks again for the help so far ;)
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 03:48:31 PM
Post by: Andreas on March 22, 2009, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: "slynce"Thanks for the picture Andreas!!!
I still feel little confused, though! I've got the CD and there is no Shakespear in it. (or is Shakespeare another name for Librarian.app the OS selfinstals at the beginning?).
Thanks again for the help so far ;)
Its not an applikation, its something for the Library. AFAIK you get it if you go to (NS3 CD):
NeXTCD -> Packages -> Literature.okg
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: RacerX on March 23, 2009, 05:31:26 AM
Post by: RacerX on March 23, 2009, 05:31:26 AM
Just FYI...
The Shakespeare elements were also included in NEXTSTEP 3.1 (along with the Quotations app)... which is the earliest version I personally have.
The Shakespeare elements were also included in NEXTSTEP 3.1 (along with the Quotations app)... which is the earliest version I personally have.
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 26, 2009, 01:33:16 AM
Post by: slynce on March 26, 2009, 01:33:16 AM
Dear Andreas,
sorry for the delay of my answer and thanks again for your help!
At the beginning I had got it wrong that Shaekespeare was an .app, now I understood that it was some kind of bundle with text documents created for Librarian to read through and a part of Literature project for NextStep.
Thing is that in my installation NextStep 3.3 CD this project is not included. I have read several posts on this issue and saw that some people report the same - the project is missing in their 3.3 instalation images of the disk. Do you think it is missing (the Literature project) just in some of the CD releases ( and is included in those targeted to the high school's and university users) or it is really missing from the 3.3 release (people report it was part of 3.1 and 3.2 releases together with quotations.app)?
My second question is - can you come out with a link I can use to download Literature project from (and quotations.app) or some source with NextStep 3.1 or 3.2 releases (where the project Literature can be found for sure)?
Thanks again for your time and help!
sorry for the delay of my answer and thanks again for your help!
At the beginning I had got it wrong that Shaekespeare was an .app, now I understood that it was some kind of bundle with text documents created for Librarian to read through and a part of Literature project for NextStep.
Thing is that in my installation NextStep 3.3 CD this project is not included. I have read several posts on this issue and saw that some people report the same - the project is missing in their 3.3 instalation images of the disk. Do you think it is missing (the Literature project) just in some of the CD releases ( and is included in those targeted to the high school's and university users) or it is really missing from the 3.3 release (people report it was part of 3.1 and 3.2 releases together with quotations.app)?
My second question is - can you come out with a link I can use to download Literature project from (and quotations.app) or some source with NextStep 3.1 or 3.2 releases (where the project Literature can be found for sure)?
Thanks again for your time and help!
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: armus2112 on March 26, 2009, 09:39:23 PM
Post by: armus2112 on March 26, 2009, 09:39:23 PM
is the Shakespeare content copyrighted by Apple somehow?
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 27, 2009, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: slynce on March 27, 2009, 12:20:28 PM
Armus*, I guess it is not. As Andreas wrote above it's just some kind of a bundle with text files, wrapped in a special way so Librarian.app could read it (same as Next Answers) and is a part of Literature package, which I got, used to be distributed with Install CD's 3.1 and 3.2, but was omitted from 3.3 (here not quite sure).
That's why I can't fully understand why if it is not an app (and was not a commercial distribution) is so difficult to get a copy of it! I've already surfed some 3 or more ftp archives with different apps and drivers and got apps like OpenWrite, CedarWord, etc. and no trace of Shakespeare, or Literature.pkg or something (and no Quotations.app either) as those have never existed ;)
If somebody can give a hint of an archive where one can find the above mentioned, pls!
Any help welcome!
That's why I can't fully understand why if it is not an app (and was not a commercial distribution) is so difficult to get a copy of it! I've already surfed some 3 or more ftp archives with different apps and drivers and got apps like OpenWrite, CedarWord, etc. and no trace of Shakespeare, or Literature.pkg or something (and no Quotations.app either) as those have never existed ;)
If somebody can give a hint of an archive where one can find the above mentioned, pls!
Any help welcome!
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: armus2112 on March 27, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
Post by: armus2112 on March 27, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
I think old works like this (including quotations) is something we could share amongst ourselves as long as we are not profiting from it. Tell me if I'm wrong here..
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: RacerX on March 27, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
Post by: RacerX on March 27, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
I'm going to ask this question, but don't take it the wrong way...
Why not make a Shakespeare Collection of your own?
All the information is out there, just download it, save it as plain text files in a "Shakespeare" folder, then create an index of that folder in Librarian.
Why stop there? Tons of books are available as either HTML or plain text files... save them to your system as plain text in a folder called "Literature", then create another index of that folder in Librarian.
The thing is, the Shakespeare elements were included as an example of how Librarian could be used. The problem (as NeXT saw it) is that people assumed that unless something like this was pre-made, you couldn't do anything like it (sort of like what we are seeing here). The reason for dropping those elements was two fold... first, they needed the space on the CD, and second, it was stopping people from using the Librarian the way it was designed to be used (with your own documents).
NeXT took a lot of time and effort to build the Librarian. They also took the time to attempt to get developers of apps (like WordPerfect) to include translators so that Librarian could parse their unique document formats correctly.
The problem was that after years people weren't actually using Librarian for it's intended purpose (as a search engine for your own files).
So are you using Librarian currently? Getting these Shakespeare elements seems like a good way to make sure you don't, so I'm not sure why anyone should just make them available (I thought about it, but how would anyone know if I was using NeXT's version or one I created myself... other than the fact that I could make a better icon).
Librarian is a tool that is meant to be used. NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP is a tool that is meant to be used. If you aren't using them, if you don't know how to use them, then they aren't really serving any purpose. You would benefit more by making your own Shakespeare Collection from scratch than from anyone just giving you it and you never really learning how the application works as a useful tool.
Why not give it a try and if you run into issues, ask questions and one of us could help you with them.
:roll:
On the other hand, Quotations.app might be interesting to make available... even though it is so limited that it is hardly worth the effort (and most likely the main reason it was dropped from NEXTSTEP to begin with).
Why not make a Shakespeare Collection of your own?
All the information is out there, just download it, save it as plain text files in a "Shakespeare" folder, then create an index of that folder in Librarian.
Why stop there? Tons of books are available as either HTML or plain text files... save them to your system as plain text in a folder called "Literature", then create another index of that folder in Librarian.
The thing is, the Shakespeare elements were included as an example of how Librarian could be used. The problem (as NeXT saw it) is that people assumed that unless something like this was pre-made, you couldn't do anything like it (sort of like what we are seeing here). The reason for dropping those elements was two fold... first, they needed the space on the CD, and second, it was stopping people from using the Librarian the way it was designed to be used (with your own documents).
NeXT took a lot of time and effort to build the Librarian. They also took the time to attempt to get developers of apps (like WordPerfect) to include translators so that Librarian could parse their unique document formats correctly.
The problem was that after years people weren't actually using Librarian for it's intended purpose (as a search engine for your own files).
So are you using Librarian currently? Getting these Shakespeare elements seems like a good way to make sure you don't, so I'm not sure why anyone should just make them available (I thought about it, but how would anyone know if I was using NeXT's version or one I created myself... other than the fact that I could make a better icon).
Librarian is a tool that is meant to be used. NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP is a tool that is meant to be used. If you aren't using them, if you don't know how to use them, then they aren't really serving any purpose. You would benefit more by making your own Shakespeare Collection from scratch than from anyone just giving you it and you never really learning how the application works as a useful tool.
Why not give it a try and if you run into issues, ask questions and one of us could help you with them.
:roll:
On the other hand, Quotations.app might be interesting to make available... even though it is so limited that it is hardly worth the effort (and most likely the main reason it was dropped from NEXTSTEP to begin with).
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 27, 2009, 05:37:33 PM
Post by: slynce on March 27, 2009, 05:37:33 PM
Hi RacerX!
I think you are absolutely right!
It would be nice to build any such a collection of my own to be used with Librarian and I hope this weekend I will have the time to try it ( so thanks for the idea ;)
In order to do this I've got few questions about the format of the text document and especially how you connect the text with the icon to put on the Librarian shelf. And is there some special way to bundle the text (as Next did with Shakespeare collection) or it is just making an index of plain text files? I'd be grateful if you could show me some resources of information on how to create Librarian friendly and readable collections or/and any explanation refering to the topic ( I already wrote that I'm a novice with NextStep - just two weeks and some of this stuff is fully new to me - so sorry if some of my questions sound incoherent)
Looking forward for some more info on the topic!
(by the way among the titles I promise to do for Librarian bookshelf and promise to share with the community are "The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" and the two "Winnie the Pooh" books, so hope people would enjoy them ;)
(and another question - the link at your post - http://www.rhapsodyos.org/ - does it work? I can't open it.)
I think you are absolutely right!
It would be nice to build any such a collection of my own to be used with Librarian and I hope this weekend I will have the time to try it ( so thanks for the idea ;)
In order to do this I've got few questions about the format of the text document and especially how you connect the text with the icon to put on the Librarian shelf. And is there some special way to bundle the text (as Next did with Shakespeare collection) or it is just making an index of plain text files? I'd be grateful if you could show me some resources of information on how to create Librarian friendly and readable collections or/and any explanation refering to the topic ( I already wrote that I'm a novice with NextStep - just two weeks and some of this stuff is fully new to me - so sorry if some of my questions sound incoherent)
Looking forward for some more info on the topic!
(by the way among the titles I promise to do for Librarian bookshelf and promise to share with the community are "The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" and the two "Winnie the Pooh" books, so hope people would enjoy them ;)
(and another question - the link at your post - http://www.rhapsodyos.org/ - does it work? I can't open it.)
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: RacerX on March 27, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Post by: RacerX on March 27, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
As long as you think small (as in overall file sizes for your content), you can put together a great collection of literature. And the Librarian will use as an icon whatever icon you've given the folder holding the content.
As for my Rhapsody site... I don't know. It was up earlier today, and my other sites seem to be working fine (which are all on the same server), so the host might be having domain name server issues or something of the like. I'll give it a few hours before I check in with them.
I was on there earlier today checking to see if I had put anything up on OmniLibrarian (which was the Omni Groups attempt to add back in the functionality lost when Apple dropped the Digital Librarian in Rhapsody). But at least my NeXT stuff (http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/next/index.html) is still up and running.
As for my Rhapsody site... I don't know. It was up earlier today, and my other sites seem to be working fine (which are all on the same server), so the host might be having domain name server issues or something of the like. I'll give it a few hours before I check in with them.
I was on there earlier today checking to see if I had put anything up on OmniLibrarian (which was the Omni Groups attempt to add back in the functionality lost when Apple dropped the Digital Librarian in Rhapsody). But at least my NeXT stuff (http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/next/index.html) is still up and running.
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 01:54:32 AM
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 01:54:32 AM
RacerX,
sorry if my question sounds repeated, but are all text formats welcomed by the Librarian (or it should be some specific .rtf, or .txt or some other type of text conversion and extension), do I have to bundle it in a special way or just putting it together with an icon file in a folder does the trick?
And more - where should I put the folder with the book - in the "bookshelf folder" under the NextLibrarian folder or it doesn't matter?
(by the way your web site loaded at last ;) - it seems it was temporarily unreachable. The site's great and the information is well chosen! Thanks for it!)
:wink:
sorry if my question sounds repeated, but are all text formats welcomed by the Librarian (or it should be some specific .rtf, or .txt or some other type of text conversion and extension), do I have to bundle it in a special way or just putting it together with an icon file in a folder does the trick?
And more - where should I put the folder with the book - in the "bookshelf folder" under the NextLibrarian folder or it doesn't matter?
(by the way your web site loaded at last ;) - it seems it was temporarily unreachable. The site's great and the information is well chosen! Thanks for it!)
:wink:
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 10:21:33 AM
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 10:21:33 AM
Hi RaserX,
(hope I'm not tediuos with my posts addressing directly to you and Andreas)
I've just put together Winnie the Pooh (plain text - .txt) file and an icon file for it in a folder named after the book title -"Winnie the Pooh".
I found how Librarian can index them, put them into the Bookshelf folder, etc.
The only thing I can't figure out is how to give the folder "Winnie the Pooh" the look of the icon I prepared for it and not the "bag-icon" look folders have by default.
Can you hint me on this?
I'm sure it is something obviuos , but still miss it ;)
(hope I'm not tediuos with my posts addressing directly to you and Andreas)
I've just put together Winnie the Pooh (plain text - .txt) file and an icon file for it in a folder named after the book title -"Winnie the Pooh".
I found how Librarian can index them, put them into the Bookshelf folder, etc.
The only thing I can't figure out is how to give the folder "Winnie the Pooh" the look of the icon I prepared for it and not the "bag-icon" look folders have by default.
Can you hint me on this?
I'm sure it is something obviuos , but still miss it ;)
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Post by: slynce on March 28, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Hi,
just figured out how to solve the issue with assigning an icon to a folder and feel very excited!!!
The trick turned out to be in the name of the icon file. The file should be put in the folder one wants to assign the icon to and the name of the file should be ".dir.tiff" - OS assigns the icon to the folder itself ;)
Now I am proud to present my first book in Librarian - "Winnie the Pooh" by Alan Milne!
I am a teacher of English and posses a large collection of World's Literature treasures and just got the thrill of the idea to revive Literature project of the NextStep creators, so I'm going to open a new topic these days, dedicated to this great project, where to share books for NextStep Librarian ;)
(The only problem in is that I still can't configure my network out of the Virtual machine where is my NextStep OS and therefore can't take anything out of it - so if somebody can help me here - please do so!)
just figured out how to solve the issue with assigning an icon to a folder and feel very excited!!!
The trick turned out to be in the name of the icon file. The file should be put in the folder one wants to assign the icon to and the name of the file should be ".dir.tiff" - OS assigns the icon to the folder itself ;)
Now I am proud to present my first book in Librarian - "Winnie the Pooh" by Alan Milne!
I am a teacher of English and posses a large collection of World's Literature treasures and just got the thrill of the idea to revive Literature project of the NextStep creators, so I'm going to open a new topic these days, dedicated to this great project, where to share books for NextStep Librarian ;)
(The only problem in is that I still can't configure my network out of the Virtual machine where is my NextStep OS and therefore can't take anything out of it - so if somebody can help me here - please do so!)
Title: Shakespear for Nextstep 3.3
Post by: RacerX on March 29, 2009, 10:50:34 AM
Post by: RacerX on March 29, 2009, 10:50:34 AM
Congratulations on your success.
There are a number of hints on this type of thing in NeXTanswers... and even though you've addressed the ones you've run across so far, it is a good idea to get familiar with some of the other features as it'll most likely give you options for things that you hadn't thought of before.
Also, searching NeXTanswers via Librarian is how I answer many questions that people ask (just don't tell anyone, I'm trying to give the impression that I have an encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff to draw from).
And yes... icons can be very fun! I've collected a few hundred of them (as they work the same in NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody).
As for the networking issues... I'm not familiar enough with running these on virtual machines to be able to help with that. The last virtual machine I used was a turn of the century version of VirtualPC. :oops:
There are a number of hints on this type of thing in NeXTanswers... and even though you've addressed the ones you've run across so far, it is a good idea to get familiar with some of the other features as it'll most likely give you options for things that you hadn't thought of before.
Also, searching NeXTanswers via Librarian is how I answer many questions that people ask (just don't tell anyone, I'm trying to give the impression that I have an encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff to draw from).
And yes... icons can be very fun! I've collected a few hundred of them (as they work the same in NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody).
As for the networking issues... I'm not familiar enough with running these on virtual machines to be able to help with that. The last virtual machine I used was a turn of the century version of VirtualPC. :oops: