Hello NeXT Community: I have 2 Daydream Dongles , The Daydream Manual and most of the Daydream software everything but a working set of Daydream.app floppies. The set I have are giving me CRC errors so if anyone can help it would be appreciated I will send you a rare NeXT Pencil. I can FTP them or if tar files I can download or extract from email . I've been searching the net as well thank you for your help! Best regards Rob Blessin
Thanks Mike for your help to find them here!
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Hardware/Daydream/9/30/2013 Need help
So it is a .tar file , I downloaded to my mac , dropped into a burn folder to cdr then copy from cdr to the NeXT unarchiving on the NeXT reveals a .zip file and double clicking this does not work to unzip it further .
I though what utility do I use to unzip the .zip file on a NeXT?
So I went back to square one on the mac and first untared it then unzipped it which revealed folders for the Daydream docs .jpg and floppies .img,
I thought cool this should work now so burned those to cdr and then copied them to the NeXT , as they have .jpg and .img extensions , it is a fresh NeXT install so no third party apps are installed , any recommendations?
Install is NeXTSTEP 3.3 with Y2k patches and I also installed opener but have access to practically every NeXT app on the Peanuts cd's,
Helf ... I appreciate the Daydream software upload but there currently is no help file how or what to do next so may be this post will help someone else in the future solve the mystery or getting downloaded files to work that are archived .
As I will gladly upload this once we figure it out!
When I click on the floppy .img or docs .jpg currently they default to terminal and give an error code.
I suspect I need to make floppy images or give a terminal command that will start the install . I have installed Daydream from floppy before but not from a downloaded tar file with zipped files holding all the docs and install files ... so I am missing something any help appreciated!
Usually with tar.gz files I run gunzip in a terminal window then with .tar unarchiving reveals the .app which runs but these are img files which I suspect need to be signaled to start and install.
Below is a link to the Daydream files: I've spent 4 hours trying everything I can and suspect I need to install further utilities , apps or type in terminal commands to get this to work ...
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Hardware/Daydream/Anyone running Daydream out there currently wondering what the last version of Mac OS will run!
Guru's please help !
Best regards Rob Blessin
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Hi Rob!
don't look too far :) all the software and docs needed can be found here ->
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Hardware/Daydream/regards,
michael
Thank you!
Quote from: "Rob Blessin Black Hole"I suspect I need to make floppy images or give a terminal command that will start the install . I have installed Daydream from floppy before but not from a downloaded tar file with zipped files holding all the docs and install files ... so I am missing something any help appreciated!
Am I wrong or you didn't consider to write the floppy image on real floppy and use them ?
By the way, there is still the how-to which show how to build the NeXT install floppies disk at:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45938I hope it may help you.
Quote from: "oneNeXT"Quote from: "Rob Blessin Black Hole"I suspect I need to make floppy images or give a terminal command that will start the install . I have installed Daydream from floppy before but not from a downloaded tar file with zipped files holding all the docs and install files ... so I am missing something any help appreciated!
Am I wrong or you didn't consider to write the floppy image on real floppy and use them ?
By the way, there is still the how-to which show how to build the NeXT install floppies disk at:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45938
I hope it may help you.
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Thank you it did and it works!
Here is how to do this the easy way for anyone that needs to in the future
Step 1: Download these , I did to my Mac:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Hardware/Daydream/Step 2: It is a tar file so might as well untar it on the Mac ,click mac will figure it out
Step 3: Leaves .zip files might as well unzip these on the Mac ,click on it Mac will figure it out
Step 4: Create a Burn folder and drag and drop the Daydream files into the burn folder
Step 5: Burn everything Daydream to CDR on the Mac
Step 6: Start up your NeXT attach Daydream Dongle and NeXT Compatible scsi CDROM drive
Step 7: Login as root be sure and have your Daydream CDR in the cd drive
Step 8: If you don't have unix expert set , double click the calender Icon, when the preferences panel pops up scroll all the way to the right and check unix expert preferences and long file names .... you should see all the hidden unix files appear
Step 9: Format 4 Floppies to NeXT file format , put floppy in it will prompt you choose NeXT file format , I used 2.88 but 1.44 should work.
Step 10: Drop the Daydream kernal&app file into the /tmp directory follow instructions below and repeat for remaining 3 Daydream .img files
Step 11: Creating NEXTSTEP Floppies From Images Under NEXTSTEP
(1) Make sure you are logged in as root.
(2) Download the floppy image and decompress it from the Workspace via the File->Uncompress menu item. Make sure you are logged in as root.
(3) Verify that the image has been downloaded correctly by comparing the results of /usr/bin/sum to the sums given for each floppy image. For example:
# sum 1883_3.2_Boot_Floppy.floppyimage
43583 1440
(4) Insert a blank 1.44 megabyte 3.5" HD floppy disk into the floppy drive.
(5) In the Workspace, choose the command Check For Disks from the Disk menu. Initialize the disk as a NEXTSTEP filesystem. NEXTSTEP then formats and initializes the disk. When it is done initializing, select Eject from the disk menu, but leave the floppy in the drive.
(6) If you have placed the image in /tmp, type this command to copy the boot floppy image to the new disk.
# dd if=/tmp/Floppy_Image of=/dev/rfd0b
(7) After a few minutes, the duplication will be complete. Type this command:
# disk -e /dev/rfd0b
(8) Physically eject the disk from the drive. It is ready to use.
Step 12: Wahoo you are now ready to install Daydream , to make this easy I've scanned in and will upload the Daydream installation guide and instructions to
http://www.blackholeinc.com/docs/daydream in pdf format or you have jpg files for the manual above !
Step 13: Kernal & App floppy first , drag Daydream.app and Daydream from floppy to copy to top level directory on NeXT. repeat with other 3 floppies.
Step 14 Launch Daydream.app boom your NeXT will now reboot as a Macintosh running system 7.1
If you need help just PM or email me!
Best regards Rob Blessin
it's also possible to restore the image files to floppies using a USB drive. I did it on Mac OS X (but this, of course, does not work with images of ED 2.88MB disks).
Quote from: "mikeboss"it's also possible to restore the image files to floppies using a USB drive. I did it on Mac OS X (but this, of course, does not work with images of ED 2.88MB disks).
Hello Mike: When you copied the mini7 disk then dragged the compressed mini7 file it to the top directory and uncomppressed it , if your running console do you get a fatal error message. It looks like the full Mini7 file may not be there when uncompressed it is supposed to have an Mini7 icon and when I try it , I've tried different floppies burns cds etc with the same result as a result it only boots into Daydream and MAC OS 7.1 using the emergency boot floppy.
I found a Mac OS 8.1 ISO and in Daydream preferences it finds the HP DVD rom drive but it does n't show a cdrom icon once I'm logged in and I suspect it is because it is not the full version of 7.1 .
Has anyone successfully installed system 8.1 on Daydream from CDrom or a later version then 7.1 ? Any help or advice appreciated!
If any one has a clean Mini7 file they can send me that would be great,
Best regards Rob Blessin
to be honest, I never used the Apple System 7.x included in the daydream archive. I have an image of a full 7.1 installation I usually run in "Mini vMac" on OS X. I moved it from my OS X machine to the NeXT using FTP. drop me an e-mail if you want to have the image with the full System 7.1 ->
mb@offworld.ch
as far as I know it is not possible to run 8.1 with the daydream. on the other hand, I never tried it... I think 7.6 was the latest version running in daydream.
Quote from: "mikeboss"to be honest, I never used the Apple System 7.x included in the daydream archive. I have an image of a full 7.1 installation I usually run in "Mini vMac" on OS X. I moved it from my OS X machine to the NeXT using FTP. drop me an e-mail if you want to have the image with the full System 7.1 ->
mb@offworld.ch
as far as I know it is not possible to run 8.1 with the daydream. on the other hand, I never tried it... I think 7.6 was the latest version running in daydream.
Thanks I sent you an email and would appreciate a copy of 7.1 , I looked as Apple had made it free awhile back but was unable to find it.
I think 8.1 was the last version that supported the 68040 processors.
I also have some Yamaha 4006 CDR's that are supposed to be supported by NeXTSTEP 3rd party . I'm going to start a thread to see if anyone has hooked these up to black hardware successfully.
Best regards Rob Blessin
Quote from: "Rob Blessin Black Hole"Quote from: "oneNeXT"Quote from: "Rob Blessin Black Hole"I suspect I need to make floppy images or give a terminal command that will start the install . I have installed Daydream from floppy before but not from a downloaded tar file with zipped files holding all the docs and install files ... so I am missing something any help appreciated!
Am I wrong or you didn't consider to write the floppy image on real floppy and use them ?
By the way, there is still the how-to which show how to build the NeXT install floppies disk at:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45938
I hope it may help you.
****************************************
Thank you it did and it works!
Here is how to do this the easy way for anyone that needs to in the future
Step 1: Download these , I did to my Mac:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Hardware/Daydream/
Step 2: It is a tar file so might as well untar it on the Mac ,click mac will figure it out
Step 3: Leaves .zip files might as well unzip these on the Mac ,click on it Mac will figure it out
Step 4: Create a Burn folder and drag and drop the Daydream files into the burn folder
Step 5: Burn everything Daydream to CDR on the Mac
Step 6: Start up your NeXT attach Daydream Dongle and NeXT Compatible scsi CDROM drive
Step 7: Login as root be sure and have your Daydream CDR in the cd drive
Step 8: If you don't have unix expert set , double click the calender Icon, when the preferences panel pops up scroll all the way to the right and check unix expert preferences and long file names .... you should see all the hidden unix files appear
Step 9: Format 4 Floppies to NeXT file format , put floppy in it will prompt you choose NeXT file format , I used 2.88 but 1.44 should work.
Step 10: Drop the Daydream kernal&app file into the /tmp directory follow instructions below and repeat for remaining 3 Daydream .img files
Step 11: Creating NEXTSTEP Floppies From Images Under NEXTSTEP
(1) Make sure you are logged in as root.
(2) Download the floppy image and decompress it from the Workspace via the File->Uncompress menu item. Make sure you are logged in as root.
(3) Verify that the image has been downloaded correctly by comparing the results of /usr/bin/sum to the sums given for each floppy image. For example:
# sum 1883_3.2_Boot_Floppy.floppyimage
43583 1440
(4) Insert a blank 1.44 megabyte 3.5" HD floppy disk into the floppy drive.
(5) In the Workspace, choose the command Check For Disks from the Disk menu. Initialize the disk as a NEXTSTEP filesystem. NEXTSTEP then formats and initializes the disk. When it is done initializing, select Eject from the disk menu, but leave the floppy in the drive.
(6) If you have placed the image in /tmp, type this command to copy the boot floppy image to the new disk.
# dd if=/tmp/Floppy_Image of=/dev/rfd0b
(7) After a few minutes, the duplication will be complete. Type this command:
# disk -e /dev/rfd0b
(8) Physically eject the disk from the drive. It is ready to use.
Step 12: Wahoo you are now ready to install Daydream , to make this easy I've scanned in and will upload the Daydream installation guide and instructions to http://www.blackholeinc.com/docs/daydream in pdf format or you have jpg files for the manual above !
Step 13: Kernal & App floppy first , drag Daydream.app and Daydream from floppy to copy to top level directory on NeXT. repeat with other 3 floppies.
Step 14 Launch Daydream.app boom your NeXT will now reboot as a Macintosh running system 7.1
If you need help just PM or email me!
Best regards Rob Blessin
Step 15: If it doesn't boot like mine, I suspect the Daydream Mini7 disk image was not complete , however I figured out a workaround and it is booting like a champ . You will need to have the emergency Daydream boot disk in the floppy drive.
Step 17: Launch Daydream.app and click go with the emergency boot in place it will boot into Daydream! To correct having to use and emergency boot disk:
Step 18: Thank you Mike for the Mac OS System 7.1 Image , you can now download it here:
http://www.blackholeinc.com/docs/MACOSsystem7.1/I have a zip file 3Mb and unzipped file 41Mb , you can download both ; the unzipped file saves you from having to unzip it! Please note Apple gives away up to version Mac OS 8.1 but it is no longer on their website.
Step 19: Burn Folder then burn this to disk : Macintosh_HD.dsk .
Step 20: Start your NeXT up from scratch with your burned Macintosh_HD.dsk CD = MACOS System 7.1 in the drive
Step 21: Copy by dragging and dropping Macintosh_HD.dsk to the top level root directory on the NeXT
Step 22: Change the name from Macintosh_HD.dsk to Macintosh_HD.daydream this way when you boot back into daydream first using the emergency boot floppy the Macintosh_HD.daydream will show up !
Step 23: Change the Startup disk with in Daydream from MINI7 to Macintosh_HD.daydream and then shut down then NeXT
Step 24: Start the NeXT up again login , then start Daydream.app click go and it should now cleanly boot into Daydream and your NeXT now thinks it is a Macintosh running system 7.1! Yeah... I hope this helps!
Step 25 Figuring out how to update to later versions I suspect loading a drive image like above and changing the startup will work. I'll also test it on a Turbo Cube Dimension here shortly and add info.
Best regards Rob Blessin
Quote from: "Rob Blessin Black Hole"Please note Apple gives away up to version Mac OS 8.1 but it is no longer on their website.
to my best knowledge, Apple never gave away System 8.x for free. here's the link to the downloads available from Apple ->
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
Hello: I now have Daydream running on a 9Gb with openstep 4.2 , to get it to work I first installed on a 2Gb then copied everything over to the 9 gb also works on a mono turbo with flatpanel . Going to try it on a Turbo Cube dimension NeXT .... inventing ways to do this , so the rumor Daydream doesn't work on Openstep or 9Gb drives that I've read , wahooo its working now! I want to try a later version of MAC OS as it boots with 7.1 so now there will be plenty of room for a later MAC OS and Apps!
I would like to give booting Rhapsody a try on Black hardware but it keeps spitting out the Rhapsody CD LOL. I wonder how much of the 68K code they removed , if only we could peer inside Rhapsody...
Best regards Rob Blessin