Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 10, 2013, 03:51:31 AM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 10, 2013, 03:51:31 AM
Hello NeXT Community: I'm trying to help out a long time NeXT developer , his hard drive crashed a few moths back and so I'm working with a data recovery place .
I'm not making any money doing this one just trying to help him out as it is 20 years worth of his NeXT work without a backup.
On this project we've (Data recovery) spent month's looking, I should have posted here I'm picking up the ball,
so I had a stack of ST 1480N's some of them pristine but unfortunately they were either -A or -C and the -B 's that I had were not usable.
Sam the Data recovery specialist is good but says they can't use an earlier or later REV , if anyone knows different please let us know as detailed documentation regarding head spec differences is practically non existent.
I've ordered , talked with and sent photos to sellers with 1480N's on Ebay and no luck yet; so I am hoping someone out there on the forum would be willing to sell or trade for the ST1480N -B drive we need to recover Mikes data. Or know of a place that has ST 1480N drives in stock!
The internals of the ST 1480N -B actually 6 71Mb platters in a stack and the heads apparently are different enough between revs according to the DATA recovery specialist to require an absolute exact rev match for it to work.
Please remember to back up your important data after seeing this I have!
Here is a photo of the PCB board which contains the -B on the orange ribbon cable (not the white sticker) if you see the -B and are willing to sell or trade for it awesome , make us an offer we can't refuse !
if you have one and can help please pm me or email me at sales@blackholeinc.com or phone 303-741-9998 .
Best regards Rob Blessin
:wink:
I'm not making any money doing this one just trying to help him out as it is 20 years worth of his NeXT work without a backup.
On this project we've (Data recovery) spent month's looking, I should have posted here I'm picking up the ball,
so I had a stack of ST 1480N's some of them pristine but unfortunately they were either -A or -C and the -B 's that I had were not usable.
Sam the Data recovery specialist is good but says they can't use an earlier or later REV , if anyone knows different please let us know as detailed documentation regarding head spec differences is practically non existent.
I've ordered , talked with and sent photos to sellers with 1480N's on Ebay and no luck yet; so I am hoping someone out there on the forum would be willing to sell or trade for the ST1480N -B drive we need to recover Mikes data. Or know of a place that has ST 1480N drives in stock!
The internals of the ST 1480N -B actually 6 71Mb platters in a stack and the heads apparently are different enough between revs according to the DATA recovery specialist to require an absolute exact rev match for it to work.
Please remember to back up your important data after seeing this I have!
Here is a photo of the PCB board which contains the -B on the orange ribbon cable (not the white sticker) if you see the -B and are willing to sell or trade for it awesome , make us an offer we can't refuse !
if you have one and can help please pm me or email me at sales@blackholeinc.com or phone 303-741-9998 .
Best regards Rob Blessin
:wink:
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: pentium on October 10, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Post by: pentium on October 10, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
I checked through my stash of SCSI drives and I couldn't find anything close. Sorry. :(
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on October 11, 2013, 07:19:56 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 11, 2013, 07:19:56 AM
I'll have a look at home tonight, but I would recommend Driver Savers if all else fails. They're a little expensive, but they recovered data from drives that we supposedly irrecoverable for me. I gather they have the tools needed to directly read the platters...
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: mikeboss on October 11, 2013, 08:17:21 AM
Post by: mikeboss on October 11, 2013, 08:17:21 AM
I went down into my basement to check. unfortunately I don't have such a drive. there's a cube on e*ay with such a drive in it. maybe it's the right revision..?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111185496826
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111185496826
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on October 11, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
Post by: gtnicol on October 11, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
At that price you could get Drive Savers to do the work 3 times over...
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: mikeboss on October 11, 2013, 10:16:16 AM
Post by: mikeboss on October 11, 2013, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: "gtnicol"At that price you could get Drive Savers to do the work 3 times over...
maybe they'll agree to just swap drives with one of rob's... I think it's worth to ask them.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 14, 2013, 03:40:23 AM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 14, 2013, 03:40:23 AM
Quote from: "mikeboss"Quote from: "gtnicol"At that price you could get Drive Savers to do the work 3 times over...
maybe they'll agree to just swap drives with one of rob's... I think it's worth to ask them.
That is actually Chuck Steven's already asked him no luck yet , I remember at one point I had over 200 ST1480N ' s in stock and now a lot of them are I see are duds. Unbelievable how when you order some drives off Ebay, they'll send them stacked in a box not even wrapped , holy crap what a mess.
I'm now trying to figure out what to do with the loads of DOA drives I have .... do I just keep them all in storage in a few boxes as they may be all that is left in another 10 years , thinking may be they will be repairable or useful.
Making the conversion over to flash seems to be a good way to go , that Aztec Blue Monster looks like it would do the trick. So it basically is a scsi flash card reader? I looked at the site Y9800 is that Yen ? I was trying to figure out the rough cost in US dollars .... I'm thinking about $98 USD or was it $9.80 .
I picked up 10 ADTRON 192Mb scsi flash drives and they work great , opening them up there are 3 expansion slots , but the bios appears to be limiting the recognized amount of flash memory at 192Mb and putting in expansion cards does not work ; very little documentation exists on them... I tried a 256 Mb in the drive it installed but reported back 192Mb and it wouldn't recognize 512, 1 gb , 2gb or 4 gb , however I'm going to try and see if I can trick it with a backdoor by installing NeXTSTEP using an external card reader onto a 2gb then moving the flash card into the adtron drive but I suspect it is something in the bios holding it back,
I am having success with ultra scsi 80pin hotswap 9.1 gb drives using an adaptor 80 pin to 50 pin and installing on NeXT boxes . It creates a 2Gb partition then you can mount 4 additional ~ 1.5 gb partitions using FSTAB . I'm sure writing a disktab entry is possible but this just works and I haven't dabbled into disktab entries yet !
Best Regards Rob Blessin
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: mikeboss on October 14, 2013, 03:59:48 AM
Post by: mikeboss on October 14, 2013, 03:59:48 AM
I ordered the CF AzetcMonster from this japanese guy's webshop. but he also sells them on ebay, just search for "aztecmonster". yes, this is Yen (9900 Yen = approx USD 100). no, it is not a SCSI-CF-card reader. it emulates a real SCSI harddrive. just make sure to order them with the right firmware installed ( V 3.86). also see this thread: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16832
plus, it would be wise to use SLC based CF-cards. I don't know for how long an MLC based card would survive. I mostly use the 4GB cards but I only create 2GB partitions on them (overprovisioning). a 4GB SLC card costs about USD 15.00. -> http://pcengines.ch/order.php
best regards,
michael
plus, it would be wise to use SLC based CF-cards. I don't know for how long an MLC based card would survive. I mostly use the 4GB cards but I only create 2GB partitions on them (overprovisioning). a 4GB SLC card costs about USD 15.00. -> http://pcengines.ch/order.php
best regards,
michael
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: pergamon on October 14, 2013, 03:30:06 PM
Post by: pergamon on October 14, 2013, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: "mikeboss"I ordered the CF AzetcMonster from this japanese guy's webshop. but he also sells them on ebay, just search for "aztecmonster". yes, this is Yen (9900 Yen = approx USD 100). no, it is not a SCSI-CF-card reader. it emulates a real SCSI harddrive. just make sure to order them with the right firmware installed ( V 3.86). also see this thread: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16832
Is this the guy? http://www.ebay.com/usr/artmix
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: mikeboss on October 14, 2013, 03:36:26 PM
Post by: mikeboss on October 14, 2013, 03:36:26 PM
yup, this is him. very nice guy. he was very helpful about the firmware and he also sent me free ROMs.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 17, 2013, 05:08:47 AM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on October 17, 2013, 05:08:47 AM
Hello NeXT Community: Still looking for the Seagate ST1480N drive with -B
I received 2 more ST1480N in today one a DOA -A and a screaming -C LOL.
I am willing to pay a $25 finders fee if anyone can point me to a source that has this particular drive in stock with a photo of the pcb cable like above.
I'm googling ST 1480N drives for sale and my plan is to call the vendors listed there and offer the sales guys the same deal as a paypal spiff , heck if you own one and it is an ST 1480N -B and does work I will buy it out of my pocket for $75 and the $25 spiff and shipping to get it here or we can trade some NeXT stuff, heck when I have working ones I sell them for less than that at any rate just trying to help out a good old NeXT developer/ customer recover his important stuff.
I know how it goes when a drive dies and all your stuff is hanging in limbo at the mercy of Data recovery .
I think we'll get him set up with a flash drive like Mike is using looks like a very good setup.
Best regards Rob Blessin
I received 2 more ST1480N in today one a DOA -A and a screaming -C LOL.
I am willing to pay a $25 finders fee if anyone can point me to a source that has this particular drive in stock with a photo of the pcb cable like above.
I'm googling ST 1480N drives for sale and my plan is to call the vendors listed there and offer the sales guys the same deal as a paypal spiff , heck if you own one and it is an ST 1480N -B and does work I will buy it out of my pocket for $75 and the $25 spiff and shipping to get it here or we can trade some NeXT stuff, heck when I have working ones I sell them for less than that at any rate just trying to help out a good old NeXT developer/ customer recover his important stuff.
I know how it goes when a drive dies and all your stuff is hanging in limbo at the mercy of Data recovery .
I think we'll get him set up with a flash drive like Mike is using looks like a very good setup.
Best regards Rob Blessin
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on October 17, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
Post by: gtnicol on October 17, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
I don't have any -B drives... out of the 10 or so ST1480N drives I have, all are -C
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on October 28, 2013, 11:31:41 PM
Post by: gtnicol on October 28, 2013, 11:31:41 PM
Found one. I'll test it tonight, but it looks like it boots fine and has OS42 installed.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on October 28, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
Post by: gtnicol on October 28, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
Actually, it has 2.1 with a mail server installed on the disk. I'll make a backup of the disk, then you can have it.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 02, 2013, 03:41:49 AM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 02, 2013, 03:41:49 AM
Hello: We actually located one and spent 3 1/2 hours swapping the heads out , one of the problems causing these drives to fail is plastic washers finally disintegrating internally. It is difficult to get the spacing correct and the drive spins up but is making some noises , Windows briefly recognizes it but doesn't see the data. So we tried booting it up as a primary and secondary drive and now get scmd error so it is now back to the clean room to give it another go at alignment If I we can't get it to boot in NeXT , hoping we can get it to atleast recognize the drive in adaptec utilities on intel, I may be able to run pro tools on the hyrens cd and make a clone copy and yes that spare st1480N would come in handy . Best regards rob blessin
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on November 02, 2013, 07:58:37 AM
Post by: gtnicol on November 02, 2013, 07:58:37 AM
I think the guys at drivesavers read the platters directly, and individually. They're apparently able to even read data from damaged platters. If the data is really important, I would tend to send it to them and let them do it.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 03, 2013, 08:42:34 PM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 03, 2013, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: "gtnicol"I think the guys at drivesavers read the platters directly, and individually. They're apparently able to even read data from damaged platters. If the data is really important, I would tend to send it to them and let them do it.I checked with Drivesavers and talked with a consultant and if the latest effort doesn't work by our local guys to carefully recover the data . We'll send them the drive , I explained how we have been approaching the solution and it sounds like we are spot on however they have extensive recovery tools, more advanced methods and most important loads of experience with recovering Data from NeXT drives and ill use them in the future . Appreciate the help! Best regards Rob
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on November 03, 2013, 09:01:52 PM
Post by: gtnicol on November 03, 2013, 09:01:52 PM
I sent them one of the old maxtor drives and apparently they were able to read the data, platter by platter. The main difference is that they don't need a working drive in order to recover data.... they have tools to scan the platter directly.
I've used them twice: once on the drive mentioned above, and once on a 5 drive RAID array with 3 failed drives. Both times I got all my data back...
I've used them twice: once on the drive mentioned above, and once on a 5 drive RAID array with 3 failed drives. Both times I got all my data back...
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 03, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on November 03, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: "gtnicol"I sent them one of the old maxtor drives and apparently they were able to read the data, platter by platter. The main difference is that they don't need a working drive in order to recover data.... they have tools to scan the platter directly.When they returned the NeXT data was it on cd?
I've used them twice: once on the drive mentioned above, and once on a 5 drive RAID array with 3 failed drives. Both times I got all my data back...
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on November 03, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
Post by: gtnicol on November 03, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
The data was on CD for the NeXT, on a drive I supplied on the case of the RAID array. They returned the original drive too, of course.
I think if you ask them, they can put it in tar.gz or whatever other archive format you want too.
I think if you ask them, they can put it in tar.gz or whatever other archive format you want too.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on December 01, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Post by: Rob Blessin Black Hole on December 01, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: "gtnicol"The data was on CD for the NeXT, on a drive I supplied on the case of the RAID array. They returned the original drive too, of course.In closing driver savers was unable to recover the data either as it was a head crash that caused it and the platters were damaged. Additional damage may have happened at the first recovery place , drivesavers did not charge for the diagnosis and covered shipping both ways I'll use them in the future.
I think if you ask them, they can put it in tar.gz or whatever other archive format you want too.
Title: WTB ST 1480N Hard drive Catch must work + rev -B Urgent
Post by: gtnicol on December 01, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
Post by: gtnicol on December 01, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
Wow. If they couldn't recover it, even partially, it must have been really bad. I've heard of them recovering data from individual sectors, even with a head crash.
One of the few companies that stand by their service, rather than just trying to make money off you.
One of the few companies that stand by their service, rather than just trying to make money off you.