Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 08:32:58 AM
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 08:32:58 AM
Any thoughts on what is a "normal/Fair" price for a non-adb soundbox? I am watching an ebay auction on one, but it has gone to $46.00, which seems a little high. The black hole (apparently where all email goes) lists $19.00 for one, which is better, but still more expensive than what I have paid for the rest of the system, minus shipping. I would really like to get my black hardware functioning, but not at that price.
Just curious,
Chef
Just curious,
Chef
Title: Re: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: blackcube on September 15, 2006, 10:19:50 AM
Post by: blackcube on September 15, 2006, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: "nextchef"Any thoughts on what is a "normal/Fair" price for a non-adb soundbox? I am watching an ebay auction on one, but it has gone to $46.00, which seems a little high. The black hole (apparently where all email goes) lists $19.00 for one, which is better, but still more expensive than what I have paid for the rest of the system, minus shipping. I would really like to get my black hardware functioning, but not at that price.
Just curious,
Chef
I would say around $15-20 so Rob's price is not out of line.
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
I sold an ADB sound box for 15 pounds to a guy in Japan about 6 months ago.
I honestly think you're going to have an hard time trying to buy one, I've asked blackcube if he has a spare, nope. emailed Rob Blessin that did me a lot of good, and now I'm waiting on Randy Rencsock to have a look for one for me. I also posted on this and openstep.se asking for one.
If I was you, I'd buy that soundbox, in fact I intend to bid on it if I can remember.
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I honestly think you're going to have an hard time trying to buy one, I've asked blackcube if he has a spare, nope. emailed Rob Blessin that did me a lot of good, and now I'm waiting on Randy Rencsock to have a look for one for me. I also posted on this and openstep.se asking for one.
If I was you, I'd buy that soundbox, in fact I intend to bid on it if I can remember.
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Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 03:58:42 PM
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 03:58:42 PM
The damn thing is over $100usd now.
That is nuts.... I can buy a complete mono station for that much from blackhole for the same price, with shipping. That is I could if he would ever respond to his email.
Anyone in colorado somewhere close who could go by and check if he is even still alive??
At this rate, I think I am just going to spray paint a sparc black, fit the top of a nextstation over it, and call it a day.
Chef
That is nuts.... I can buy a complete mono station for that much from blackhole for the same price, with shipping. That is I could if he would ever respond to his email.
Anyone in colorado somewhere close who could go by and check if he is even still alive??
At this rate, I think I am just going to spray paint a sparc black, fit the top of a nextstation over it, and call it a day.
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: Nitro on September 15, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
Post by: Nitro on September 15, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"The damn thing is over $100usd now.
That is nuts.... I can buy a complete mono station for that much from blackhole for the same price, with shipping. That is I could if he would ever respond to his email.
Anyone in colorado somewhere close who could go by and check if he is even still alive??
At this rate, I think I am just going to spray paint a sparc black, fit the top of a nextstation over it, and call it a day.
Chef
Yes, Rob is still alive. In fact he joined the forums here recently. I would recommend contacting him by phone instead of e-mail. As for sound boxes, I purchased five ADB sound boxes from him about 6 weeks ago, for $20 each, IIRC. At that time he said that he had about 100 ADB sound boxes, but not any non-ADB. He did say however that he could convert ADB sound boxes to non-ADB by swapping the board from a non-ADB monitor. His phone number is available on his Web site and Ebay auctions.
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 05:08:29 PM
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: "Nitro"He did say however that he could convert ADB sound boxes to non-ADB by swapping the board from a non-ADB monitor. His phone number is available on his Web site and Ebay auctions.
What is the point of having an order system on the web, or an email address, if one is never going to check it????
So the soundbox must have the same kind of interface board as is used in the monitor.
I will have to give him a call then and see how much to convert one. I guess I could just switch over to ADB, but then I would need to find a matching keyboard/mouse.
Thanks for the info,
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: "Nitro"Yes, Rob is still alive. In fact he joined the forums here recently
I bet he's not posted anything yet, if his ability to reply to emails is anything to go by, it seems like he's forgotten how to type.
IF anybody manages to contact him, via any communication method, including ouija board, then please ask him to knock me up a non ADB soundbox up.
Cheers
Mick Bramley
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 05:24:11 PM
Post by: brams on September 15, 2006, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"I guess I could just switch over to ADB, but then I would need to find a matching keyboard/mouse.
Thanks for the info,
Chef
I'm trying to do exactly the opposite, I've got one NeXT with ADB and the other one without, and clacky ADB keyboards do my head in, if only they'd have used somthing nice like an Apple Extended KB II........, so I want to "retire" the ADB stuff, just as soon as a find a damm Soundbox
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 06:38:19 PM
Post by: nextchef on September 15, 2006, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: "brams"Quote from: "nextchef"I guess I could just switch over to ADB, but then I would need to find a matching keyboard/mouse.
Thanks for the info,
Chef
I'm trying to do exactly the opposite, I've got one NeXT with ADB and the other one without, and clacky ADB keyboards do my head in, if only they'd have used somthing nice like an Apple Extended KB II........, so I want to "retire" the ADB stuff, just as soon as a find a damm Soundbox
I have heard that the ADB keyboard sucks, which is why I started down the non-ADB path.
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: Nitro on September 15, 2006, 11:52:06 PM
Post by: Nitro on September 15, 2006, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"What is the point of having an order system on the web, or an email address, if one is never going to check it????You're asking the wrong person.
Quote from: "nextchef"So the soundbox must have the same kind of interface board as is used in the monitor.Yes.
$127 is just plain too much for a soundbox, even a new old stock one IMHO. Some alternatives to consider:
Converting an ADB soundbox to non-ADB.
Waiting for another ebay auction.
Contact Randy Rencsock at ChannelU.com.
Contact John Woodall at VintageMicros Computer Collectibles: http://stores.ebay.com/VintageMicros-Computer-Collectibles
Contact Theresa Cox at: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=2bjazzed
Keep checking with Black Hole Inc.
Contact Ron Fronberg and ask if he will have any more up for auction: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=ronfronberg
Post a "Want to Buy" on comp.sys.next.marketplace
Quote from: "brams"IF anybody manages to contact him, via any communication method, including ouija board, then please ask him to knock me up a non ADB soundbox up.I spoke to him this evening on the phone. I don't have a ouija board. :) He's still out of non-ADB sound boxes. Maybe you could convert your soundbox to non-ADB if you have a spare monitor. Or grab a non-ADB monitor on ebay, swap boards and sell the monitor as ADB. Also, IIRC Ron Fronberg sold a lot of 50 new old stock sound boards on ebay a few years ago. Maybe someone who reads the forums here purchased them. Maybe he has more?
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 05:05:00 AM
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 05:05:00 AM
Quote from: "Nitro"
$127 is just plain too much for a soundbox, even a new old stock one IMHO. Some alternatives to consider:
Converting an ADB soundbox to non-ADB.
Waiting for another ebay auction.
Contact Randy Rencsock at ChannelU.com.
Contact John Woodall at VintageMicros Computer Collectibles: http://stores.ebay.com/VintageMicros-Computer-Collectibles
Contact Theresa Cox at: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=2bjazzed
Keep checking with Black Hole Inc.
Contact Ron Fronberg and ask if he will have any more up for auction: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=ronfronberg
Post a "Want to Buy" on comp.sys.next.marketplace
With the exception of John Woodall & Theresa Cox, both of whom I've never heard of by the way, though very much worth remembering. I've tried all your suggestions. All have been fruitless thus far.
QuoteI spoke to him this evening on the phone. I don't have a ouija board. :) He's still out of non-ADB sound boxes. Maybe you could convert your soundbox to non-ADB if you have a spare monitor. Or grab a non-ADB monitor on ebay, swap boards and sell the monitor as ADB. Also, IIRC Ron Fronberg sold a lot of 50 new old stock sound boards on ebay a few years ago. Maybe someone who reads the forums here purchased them. Maybe he has more?
Actually I know Ron quite well, I've dealt with him several times over the last 8 or so years. The new/old stock you talk about, I actually bought one of those boards off him along with a brand new NeXTstation PSU, NeXT logos and a floppy drive, they where ADB. In any case I asked Ron about non ADB soundboxes about 6 months ago and he said he didn't have any, so I'm a bit pissed he put this one on eBay, must have forgotten about me! :shock:, I don't have a non ADB monitor to take the PCB from, and I'd like to keep the set of ADB gear I have just for the sake of "i have it" in case I suddenly change my mind and discover the wonders of ADB again.
However, it seems that in responding to this thread/having a poke at Rob Blessin it has been worth it as I got a PM last night of one of the board members here who has got three of them (non ADB soundboxes). He offered all 3 to me along with a few other bits and I'm awaiting pics & shipping. I suggested to the person that it would be greedy of me to take them all, when other members need them, thus I suggested he offer them (the other two) to the board, if he can't/won't do that then I will in time and not for a profit. He knows of this thread so I guess nextchef will get a PM soon enough.
So thanks to Rob Blessin's lack of interest in this matter and me having a dig at him, my/our need for one got noticed in the end. Cheers Rob you came through in the end.
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 10:14:55 AM
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 10:14:55 AM
Well, I have not received any PM yet, but it is good to hear that we have some progress on the soundbox issue. It would sure be nice to know who bought that lot of 50 soundboards, so they could be contacted to see if they have any left to sell.
On a related note, does anyone have pictures of the inside of a soundbox. If I have to play the soundboard swap, I would like to get an idea of how difficult it will be.
The next thing will be monitor cables, as it appears that the colorstation "Y" cables are also getting difficult to find.
Chef
On a related note, does anyone have pictures of the inside of a soundbox. If I have to play the soundboard swap, I would like to get an idea of how difficult it will be.
The next thing will be monitor cables, as it appears that the colorstation "Y" cables are also getting difficult to find.
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 10:58:44 AM
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 10:58:44 AM
Ron Fronberg was selling new Y cables about 4 months ago, contact him see what he can do for you. Any Y cable will do if you are considering Non ADB, by that I mean an ADB Y cable will also work, but not the otherway around.
I have a a spare ADB Y cable, I'd prefer to keep it to be honest, but if absolutely cannot find one, then I might consider selling it. Randy Rencsock might also still have them.
They do appear on eBay from time to time. Hey you never know Rob Blessin might have one................
afaik, the PCB inside a soundbox is exactly the same thing in a non color NeXT monitor. I've got a ADB soundbox PCB as a spare part in a silver bag. I think don't think there in anything difficult about changing one, I've never done it, but as far as I can see, I think you'd need to peel the rubber feet of the soundbox and I think you'll find 4 screws one at each corner. That's probably about as hard as it gets.
I have a a spare ADB Y cable, I'd prefer to keep it to be honest, but if absolutely cannot find one, then I might consider selling it. Randy Rencsock might also still have them.
They do appear on eBay from time to time. Hey you never know Rob Blessin might have one................
afaik, the PCB inside a soundbox is exactly the same thing in a non color NeXT monitor. I've got a ADB soundbox PCB as a spare part in a silver bag. I think don't think there in anything difficult about changing one, I've never done it, but as far as I can see, I think you'd need to peel the rubber feet of the soundbox and I think you'll find 4 screws one at each corner. That's probably about as hard as it gets.
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 11:08:55 AM
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 11:08:55 AM
Quote from: "brams"Ron Fronberg was selling new Y cables about 4 months ago, contact him see what he can do for you. Any Y cable will do if you are considering Non ADB, by that I mean an ADB Y cable will also work, but not the otherway around.
Apparently I should have started this project at the beginning of the year, when stuff was more easily available.
It is a colorstation that I will be connecting to, and it appears I should get an ADB one so I can use it with whatever soundbox/kb/mouse combination I end up with.
Thanks for the offer, but I would not want to deprive you of your spare board.
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 11:36:09 AM
Post by: brams on September 16, 2006, 11:36:09 AM
non ADB Soundbox for sale
http://cgi.ebay.com/NeXT-Sound-Box_W0QQitemZ320028842947QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1247QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320028842947#ebayphotohosting
http://cgi.ebay.com/NeXT-Sound-Box_W0QQitemZ320028842947QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1247QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320028842947#ebayphotohosting
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 11:56:42 AM
Post by: nextchef on September 16, 2006, 11:56:42 AM
Quote from: "brams"non ADB Soundbox for sale
http://cgi.ebay.com/NeXT-Sound-Box_W0QQitemZ320028842947QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1247QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320028842947#ebayphotohosting
What the hell is going on, I guess these things are made of "unobtanium".
Over $30usd already.
Chef
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: idylukewild on September 17, 2006, 08:19:27 AM
Post by: idylukewild on September 17, 2006, 08:19:27 AM
Here are two photos. One shows the screws (hidden under two of the pads on the bottom of the soundbox). 
The other shows the board inside the open soundbox.
Hope this helps. [By the way, this is a non-adb box that was modified to adb. I could use a non-adb board to 'un-modify' it. I'm going non-adb all the way. Anybody have a spare non-adb board, possibly from an old monitor?]
Luke
The other shows the board inside the open soundbox.
Hope this helps. [By the way, this is a non-adb box that was modified to adb. I could use a non-adb board to 'un-modify' it. I'm going non-adb all the way. Anybody have a spare non-adb board, possibly from an old monitor?]
Luke
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: Ork on September 17, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: Ork on September 17, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
idylukewild
could you please make large photo of scheme? please, sho, where the keyboard jack located!
thank you beforehand
could you please make large photo of scheme? please, sho, where the keyboard jack located!
thank you beforehand
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: Ork on September 27, 2006, 02:13:26 AM
Post by: Ork on September 27, 2006, 02:13:26 AM
I bought it for 47$
Title: What is a "fair" price for a non-adb soundbox
Post by: pergamon on September 27, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
Post by: pergamon on September 27, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: "Nitro"
Also, IIRC Ron Fronberg sold a lot of 50 new old stock sound boards on ebay a few years ago. Maybe someone who reads the forums here purchased them. Maybe he has more?
That would be me. Unfortunately, they're ADB. For now, I'm going to be keeping them together as a set.
There's some chance that after I reconcile my piles of color NeXT systems that I'm going to keep, color NeXT systems that I'm going to sell, and soundboxes, that I'll have some extra soundboxes to sell loose. It'll be a few weeks before I get to doing that, though.