Help creating a backup of my boot floppy

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Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: ravepants on May 12, 2016, 02:51:12 PM
Hi All,

I hope someone more knowledgeable than me can help!

I've searched the forum, but can't find exactly what i'm looking to achieve documented.

Basically I am trying to make a backup copy of my NeXT OS boot floppy that came with the CD.

I thought there would be some simple app in the OS I can use but cant seem to find anything, disk builder looked promising, but seems more suited to provisioning magneto optical drives and/or HDDs.

I tried using the command line as well, using:

dd if=/dev/fd0a of=/tmp/floppy.copy bs=9k

and to copy to the new disk

dd of=/dev/fd0 if=/tmp/floppy.copy bs=9k

The drive whirs and clicks as floppies do, and then the file appears in /tmp /floppy.copy
And writing back it does the same, however the disk appears unaltered, and will not work as a boot floppy?

I can only see the upgrade.app on the floppy beforehand, but I assume there are some hidden files etc that make it bootable, which is what lead me to dd as i know it does 1:1 copies.

This leads me to think i am doing something wrong, so any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: bobo68 on May 12, 2016, 03:00:40 PM
In my view what you did should work. Have you tried it without the bs argument?
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: ravepants on May 12, 2016, 03:03:14 PM
Hi bobo68,

Nope not yet, i'll give it a bash now and see if it works.
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: ravepants on May 12, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
Hiya,

Unfortunately that didn't seem to work either?

I'm fairly confident the drive can read and write as I can boot from it, and format disks.

Any suggestions appreciated.
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: wa2flq on May 12, 2016, 11:17:24 PM
I believe you need to use the raw disk device, not the file disk.

/dev/rfd0a

See the following link for an example http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/next/hardware/boot_floppies/boot_floppies.html
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: pentium on May 13, 2016, 01:44:08 AM
Unless it's different from the unusual install floppy that came with the CD kits, that disk is already archived online.
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: bobo68 on May 13, 2016, 04:27:50 AM
Quote from: "wa2flq"I believe you need to use the raw disk device, not the file disk.

/dev/rfd0a

Absolutely, I missed that detail.
Title: Help creating a backup of my boot floppy
Post by: ravepants on May 13, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
Okie dokie,

I managed to get it done, but not with any of the disks from the site.

To cut a long story short, I built an XP box to run the rawrite software (managed to get the GUI version) made an image of my original disk, then wrote it back to a blank, I tested booting the system from it, and it will happily load the setup program for NS3.3 and OS4.2, so i'm happy.

I did also try the images on the website and it also worked with those :)

Good link if anyone needs to do the same simply from a windows box with a floppy drive.

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