Would a Quadra 700 work for running rhapsody, or is it too old? I saw one at a local second hand shop this weekend, and was wondering if It might be good for that. I did not have the opportunity to open it up and see if it had memory or drive, but the guy said "it worked when he took it in".
Chef
Rhapsody needs a PPC or x86 CPU to work, not an 040 like in a Quadra.
Quote from: "brams"Rhapsody needs a PPC or x86 CPU to work, not an 040 like in a Quadra.
I was wondering about that, hence the question.
I dont suppose any version of NS/OS will run on it?
Thanks for the clarification.
Chef
Quote from: "nextchef"Quote from: "brams"Rhapsody needs a PPC or x86 CPU to work, not an 040 like in a Quadra.
I was wondering about that, hence the question.
I dont suppose any version of NS/OS will run on it?
Thanks for the clarification.
Chef
I'm afraid not, I'd like nothing better than to see OS 4.2 on my 840av but ther hardware is too different.
A little bit off-topic:
is there any chance to obtain Rhapsody somewhere?
J
EDIT: Comment removed by Admin
I would point out that talk of obtaining Rhapsody in this manor is against the forums policies.
hmmm I just gave a pointer or suggestion :idea: , not actually where to find it (like a link) guess I would leave it to the mod to make the interpretation...
And if someone does not know about these tools out there, I am wondering which rock they live under..
I personally believe in paying for goods that I intend to use..
Quote from: "matrix01"hmmm I just gave a pointer or suggestion :idea: , not actually where to find it (like a link) guess I would leave it to the mod to make the interpretation...
If pointing or suggesting that someone take inappropriate means for obtaining software is something that you are unable to resolve ethically without the help of a moderator... then you have bigger issues.
QuoteAnd if someone does not know about these tools out there, I am wondering which rock they live under..
Drug use and the tools of that culture are well known by many too, but I would find posts about pointing people in that direction just as questionable.
But you obviously thought that
Jenne must have been living under a rock as you took the time to tell about those tools. Otherwise you would have said nothing at all (which would have been a better course).
At any rate, I think that insulting
Jenne because of your inabilities to follow forum policy is in poor taste.
Jenne asked a perfectly reasonable and honest question.
QuoteI personally believe in paying for goods that I intend to use..
Good.
Then you should also believe in not pointing people down the wrong path... and passing it off as pointing them in the
"right direction".
Guys,
This is really getting off topic for this thread.
Take it to email/PM if you want to continue this "discussion", or open up a thread in the Lounge to discuss the ethical issues around this topic.
Chef
Quote from: "nextchef"This is really getting off topic for this thread.
Thanks for your input... but the topic of the thread (Rhapsody on a Quadra) was DOA.
I'd like to second what RacerX said, what we have is good here and we don't need to jepordize it by registering ourselves on the Feds radar for software theft or suggestion thereof, old or new, rightly or wrongly, Rhapsody is still copyright material and property of Apple Computer. It's also quite clear if you take the time to read forum policies that this is a no-no.
Anybody that want's to help Jenne should know how to do it discreetly and not in public. I'd suggest searching eBay for a copy.
Just by the way: I never felt like "living under a stone" at any time so I would like to remark that I didn't get this one as an insult on my "knowledge" ;-) Somehow I think it was my fault to place a question like this because in times like these it automatically implies "illegal" thoughts somehow.
I'm sorry for this, please excuse my request!
@ brams:
eBay is a good hint as long as offers are send to my place... which is not "inside the U.S."... But thank You anyway!
J
Quote from: "Jenne"Just by the way: I never felt like "living under a stone" at any time so I would like to remark that I didn't get this one as an insult on my "knowledge" ;-) Somehow I think it was my fault to place a question like this because in times like these it automatically implies "illegal" thoughts somehow.
I'm sorry for this, please excuse my request!
J
I don't think you are wrong to ask how to get it, people here have legit (original) copies and perhaps somebody would like to sell you now or in the future, people also scan eBay and might spot it when you don't and alert you via this thread, thus in my book it's fair enough to ask "where or how to get it". Obviously filesharing sites probably have it but I don't think you need any of us to tell you that, and this is not the place to share such information.
The issue is and rightly so, is that, by suggesting you go look for it at place X, kind of makes the forum a breeding ground for such further abuse if it does not go unchecked. It also suggests the forum condones such action. I think the case is one of respect for fellow board members, some of whom are software developers and I'm sure they'd get pissed at the thought the forum encourages file sharing. I would and I'm not a developer.
Some forums seem to ignore the fact that filesharing is illegal in the context of copyrighted material. This one does not ignore it.
What I'm trying to say is there are other places for it, not here. That's my take on it anyway.
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@ brams:
eBay is a good hint as long as offers are send to my place... which is not "inside the U.S."... But thank You anyway!
Whatever happens with you and eBay is between you and the trader. You'd need to look for it, it's unlikely anybody who sells on eBay would contact you having read this thread, they'd expect you to go looking. :-)
brams
Quote from: "Jenne"Just by the way: I never felt like "living under a stone" at any time so I would like to remark that I didn't get this one as an insult on my "knowledge" ;-) Somehow I think it was my fault to place a question like this because in times like these it automatically implies "illegal" thoughts somehow.
I'm sorry for this, please excuse my request!
You do not need to apoligise for the request Jenne, as it was perfectly legitimate because there are ways to obtain the software legally. If you had posted a request for where to download it, or could someone make you a copy, then you might have "done something wrong".
Chef
nextchef,
RacerX's answer to my question Minimum Spec PPC for Rhapsody and his website should contain everything you need to know
http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=349If you have Tenon Intersystems MachTen, that will give you the BSD 4.3 or 4.4 Unix base of NeXTstep/Rhapsody, and X11, and there were versions for mk68 and PPC Macs, and it runs alongside Mac OS instead of being a separately booted system.
MachTen v4.14 version numbers were an exact match for Rhapsody, eg GCC 2.8 etc.
When I get Rhapsody installed, I'm going to be trying to start it's pasteboard and other daemons and Workspace Manager WM.app from MachTen and have Mac OS 8, X11 and Rhapsody concurrent if I can :)
Tenzin
Quote from: "tenzin"If you have Tenon Intersystems MachTen, that will give you the BSD 4.3 or 4.4 Unix base of NeXTstep/Rhapsody, and X11, and there were versions for mk68 and PPC Macs, and it runs alongside Mac OS instead of being a separately booted system.
I've heard good things about MachTen, but I haven't gotten a chance to work with it.
Tenon reduced the price for MachTen 4.14 from about $400 USD to $99 USD some years ago, and down to $50 USD for Codebuilder.
There was once a Rhapsody 5.3/OS X Server 1 version of MachTen and WebTen, their GUI and much improved implementation of Apache web server ... I have been trying to find this to buy.
However, Tenon are unresponsive on technical support and lost a lot of customers through this over the years. The only support available is the neglected usenet group comp.unix.machten.
They are as far as I know a lot more supportive these days to customers of their OS X incarnation of Machten, X-Tools.
Personally, I love it and intend in my slow schedule to get as much done in it as I can.
Machten 4.14 and Codebuilder 1.1 were designed to be Rhapsody compatible, and to be able to build an app with a choice of target platforms, Mac OS classic mk68 or PPC, Rhapsody, Solaris SPARC, SGI Irix MIPS and had support for interoperability with CodeWarrior, making it possible if a person imported the headers and includes et cetera from BeOS CodeWarrior, to setup up BeOS PPC as an additional target.
The GCC that comes with MachTen and CodeBuilder can generate PEF executables, very useful for any PPC OS fan not resigned totally to Linux :) Although, re Linux, MachTen and Codebuilder have Redhat RPM v2.5 so any Source RPMs from old Mklinux PPC, LinuxPPC or pre SuSE 6.4 are an additional source of applications.
It's possible the Mac OS classic native port of Emacs was a by product of such cross platform support, maybe RasMOL as well.
I often wondered what could be acheived if I also had Metrowerks CodeWarrior Latitude for Rhapsody ... cross platform freedom of a highest order perhaps :)
Tenon is a company I'd buy if I could afford it, purely for the skilled programmers and highly creative work they've done. Same for TipTop, the creators of ObjectiveEverything for Openstep and Rhapsody, another unique and indispensible suite of tools.
Tenzin
No Rhapsody/OSX on NuBus machines. (
http://home.earthlink.net/~erik/rhap_on_nubus_faq.html) Only PCI machines are supported.
A/UX is the way to go for UNIX fun on a Quadra. It's almost easier to get modern stuff working on A/UX than Rhapsody. It is also easily obtained.
Quote from: "nextchef"Would a Quadra 700 work for running rhapsody, or is it too old? I saw one at a local second hand shop this weekend, and was wondering if It might be good for that. I did not have the opportunity to open it up and see if it had memory or drive, but the guy said "it worked when he took it in".
Chef
I can report iMac Rev B works wonderfully and was very cheap h/w to get