Title: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nullvalue on April 21, 2021, 05:13:48 PM
Post by: nullvalue on April 21, 2021, 05:13:48 PM
I would really love to see what this app does. Trying to get it to run on a 25mhz mono slab. gunzip throws a CRC error. I unzipped it on my PC then downloaded the tar and extracted it successfully. It shows the icon properly for StarAtlasV2.app. When I start it, I get the icon in the bottom tray but nothing else happens - no menu or anything.
Downloadable here:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Apps/Astrology/StarAtlasV2.N.tar.gz
Downloadable here:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Apps/Astrology/StarAtlasV2.N.tar.gz
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: user341 on April 23, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
Post by: user341 on April 23, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
are you running it on the right version of the OS. Not sure what OS you are running, or what version the app was made for, but perhaps thats it?
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nullvalue on April 24, 2021, 04:15:08 PM
Post by: nullvalue on April 24, 2021, 04:15:08 PM
I am running it on a real hardware - NeXTStation non-turbo, NEXTSTEP 3.3
Side question - I notice most software is denoted with the abbreviates NIHS or some combination of those letters - what do they mean?
Side question - I notice most software is denoted with the abbreviates NIHS or some combination of those letters - what do they mean?
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: user341 on April 24, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
Post by: user341 on April 24, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
NIHS stands for fat binary builds for multiple processors. NeXT, Intel, HPPA, and SUN, if I recall.
So you have NEXTSTEP 3.3, but perhaps StarAtlasV2 was made to run on OPENSTEP 4.2? The readme file that comes with the app might specify.
So you have NEXTSTEP 3.3, but perhaps StarAtlasV2 was made to run on OPENSTEP 4.2? The readme file that comes with the app might specify.
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nullvalue on April 26, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
Post by: nullvalue on April 26, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
The README doesn't specify either way. Tried it on OPENSTEP 4.2, exact same results. How would I run from the command line to see if it's throwing an error of any kind? Or is there somewhere I could check for an error log?
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nuss on April 26, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
Post by: nuss on April 26, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
I used to take the "S" for SPARC. Good that company name and processor type start with same letter :)
As StarAtlasV2 is compiled for "N" only (not even for "NI"), I assumed that it is one of those early NS 3.0 or 2.x binaries that crash on NS 3.3.
So I tried on Previous with Non-Turbo NS 3.3 and StarAtlasV2 worked just fine for me.
@nullvalue can you please try the attached version. You need to rename it from star.zip to star.tar, then it can be uncompressed directly on the NeXT slab.
Please copy it onto your NeXT before uncompressing. If you try directly on a DOS floppy it will not work, due to the DOS filename limitations.
star.zip
EDIT: regarding your last question: to run from the command line open the Terminal.app and drag the StarAtlasV2.app into the Terminal window. You get the full path and have to add "/StarAtlasV2" + press ENTER to start the app.
EDIT2: I did not found any source or newer versions (e.g. compiled also for Intel) of this app in my archives.
As StarAtlasV2 is compiled for "N" only (not even for "NI"), I assumed that it is one of those early NS 3.0 or 2.x binaries that crash on NS 3.3.
So I tried on Previous with Non-Turbo NS 3.3 and StarAtlasV2 worked just fine for me.
@nullvalue can you please try the attached version. You need to rename it from star.zip to star.tar, then it can be uncompressed directly on the NeXT slab.
Please copy it onto your NeXT before uncompressing. If you try directly on a DOS floppy it will not work, due to the DOS filename limitations.
star.zip
EDIT: regarding your last question: to run from the command line open the Terminal.app and drag the StarAtlasV2.app into the Terminal window. You get the full path and have to add "/StarAtlasV2" + press ENTER to start the app.
EDIT2: I did not found any source or newer versions (e.g. compiled also for Intel) of this app in my archives.
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nullvalue on April 27, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
Post by: nullvalue on April 27, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
So I tried your version and I am getting the exact same thing as when I downloaded it myself. I am moving the file to my NeXTstation over FTP. Does this process look correct?
Also, I noticed in the Console I am getting an error message when I attempt to execute the app:
EDIT: tried using "tar -xvf star.tar" to extract, but no change.. Is the file being corrupted somehow in the FTP process? Makes no sense to me..
Also, I noticed in the Console I am getting an error message when I attempt to execute the app:
Code Select
StarAtlasV2[267]: Assertion failed: loadNIBSection: could not find dataEDIT: tried using "tar -xvf star.tar" to extract, but no change.. Is the file being corrupted somehow in the FTP process? Makes no sense to me..
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: oneNeXT on April 27, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
Post by: oneNeXT on April 27, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: nullvalue on April 27, 2021, 10:02:58 AMAlso, I noticed in the Console I am getting an error message when I attempt to execute the app:
Code Select ExpandCode SelectStarAtlasV2[267]: Assertion failed: loadNIBSection: could not find data
The app is trying to load the file named "sao.nib", the interface file, which is missing.So it crash...
There are many files missing in your archive.
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nuss on April 27, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
Post by: nuss on April 27, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
Hi @nullvalue,
somehow files get lost with your gnutar command.
This is the full list of files in the star.tar file and my gnutar version:
Maybe you can try gnutar xvf star.tar (without dash in front of the options)?
Also I remember that in the NeXT times you needed to switch to binary mode before transfering non-ASCII data via FTP. Should be as simple as connecting via ftp and typing "bin" or "binary".
In worst case you could use a DOS formatted 1.44MB floppy disk. This is the reason why I named the file star.tar (8.3 syntax). I used a virtual floppy image to transfer the app to my networkless emulator ;)
somehow files get lost with your gnutar command.
This is the full list of files in the star.tar file and my gnutar version:
Maybe you can try gnutar xvf star.tar (without dash in front of the options)?
Also I remember that in the NeXT times you needed to switch to binary mode before transfering non-ASCII data via FTP. Should be as simple as connecting via ftp and typing "bin" or "binary".
In worst case you could use a DOS formatted 1.44MB floppy disk. This is the reason why I named the file star.tar (8.3 syntax). I used a virtual floppy image to transfer the app to my networkless emulator ;)
Title: Re: StarAtlasV2 - Can't get it running on a NextStation
Post by: nullvalue on April 27, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
Post by: nullvalue on April 27, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: nuss on April 27, 2021, 01:05:31 PMAlso I remember that in the NeXT times you needed to switch to binary mode before transfering non-ASCII data via FTP. Should be as simple as connecting via ftp and typing "bin" or "binary".
That was it! using "bin" to switch FTP to BINARY mode first fixed the transfer! thanks so much. Makes no sense to me since the download said it was starting in BINARY mode - but for some reason you have to manually switch it first.