I have an original NeXT external CD-ROM. I tried to get it to read, but it does not. I believe I had this problem many years ago, as after the CD-ROM, there was a cable connecting to a floppy drive that was terminated. Since then I have lost the floppy, and believe I need a way to tell the CD-ROM there are no more devices behind it. Does anyone know where I can purchase a terminator plug. Thanks in advance.
Guy
Guy
You can use one from a Mac as they are all the same, people call them Centronics SCSI 1 Terminators, they can be had passive and active (powered) active ones are considered to be better.
Not sure where you are in the world so I'm guessing the USA, there is an active one
here (
http://cgi.ebay.com/SCSI-1-terminator-centronics-active-50-Pin-Cen-CN50-LED_W0QQitemZ110055089444QQihZ001QQcategoryZ42160QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110055089444)
brams
Thank you very much for the reply. I live in Orlando, Fla. What you said sounds great. I will search the net for a Centronics SCSI 1 terminator. Not sure what is meant by active/powered? Do you know where I can purchase one, or going to an Apple store / Ebay etc.. anything that can pin this item down for me. An apple part name, or something similiar. I am not familiar at all with any Mac - Apple products. Thanks again.
Guy
brams
When the Cube first loads up, the listing states the CD-ROM company as being Sony. I found this at Cables to Go. Will the following work. Thanks Guy
03574 Delete Update EXTERNAL SCSI-1 C50M ACTIVE TERMINATOR
Availability: In Stock $21.99
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When the Cube first loads up, the listing states the CD-ROM company as being Sony. I found this at Cables to Go. Will the following work. Thanks Guy
03574 Delete Update EXTERNAL SCSI-1 C50M ACTIVE TERMINATOR
Availability: In Stock $21.99
I gave you an eBay link in my first reply. Here it is in full:
<Edited out for the sake of clarity>
22 bucks seems a bit expensive to be honest, getting a 2nd hand one for nothing would be great but the one in the link I gave is not going to break the bank.
I have a genuine NeXT CD ROM, to be honest I find it's a bit too slow. I've retired it and use a Yamaha CRW4416-SX ext SCSI CD Writer which works fine. Rather than spending money on a terminator, might it not be better getting a reader that's faster and newer?
brams
Sorry for not reading the entire line. I have just purchased the item you sent me to. I will try and locate a Yamaha drive as you suggested. Right now I want to get the Cube to where everything works, then I plan to upgrade all that I can.
Could you please tell me if this will work. I eventually want to search the web using the NeXT. On the board I found the name OmniWeb. Contacting the company, I was told current version 5.5 would not work, purchase the current one on special for Nov at $9.99, and I would get a link to one that would work version 2.5, also which I have done. What I paln to do is get the CD-ROM to work, on current a, PC copy OmniWeb 2.5 ( which is a .tar ) file to a CD, then use it to load the CD to the NeXT. At the point, will clicking on the .tar file expand it as an app to be useable on the NeXT. It has been over fifteen years since I have done any of what I am doing now. Thanks again for all of your help.
Guy
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Sorry for not reading the entire line. I have just purchased the item you sent me to. I will try and locate a Yamaha drive as you suggested. Right now I want to get the Cube to where everything works, then I plan to upgrade all that I can.
Could you please tell me if this will work. I eventually want to search the web using the NeXT. On the board I found the name OmniWeb. Contacting the company, I was told current version 5.5 would not work, purchase the current one on special for Nov at $9.99, and I would get a link to one that would work version 2.5, also which I have done. What I paln to do is get the CD-ROM to work, on current a, PC copy OmniWeb 2.5 ( which is a .tar ) file to a CD, then use it to load the CD to the NeXT. At the point, will clicking on the .tar file expand it as an app to be useable on the NeXT. It has been over fifteen years since I have done any of what I am doing now. Thanks again for all of your help.
Guy
Guy
To untar the archive you might have to use Terminal.app and enter the command:
tar -xvf <path to and file name>
That should untar it, if it's gzipped (.tgz) then you'll need to gzip -d first.
Rather than mess about burning a CD, would it not be less wasteful just ftp'ing into a site (blackcubes FTP for example) and downloading it from there?.
bramsQuoteRather than mess about burning a CD, would it not be less wasteful just ftp'ing into a site (blackcubes FTP for example) and downloading it from there?.
This sounds super, problem is, I am a fast learner, with long term memory loss. In short, I don't remember how to do the above. I used to have a modem on the NeXT, but movers lost the box containg the modem and the 2.88 floppy drive that I had. If you would please list items a,b,c on the above, I will do them, and greatly appreciate all of your help. BTW, file I downloaded is ( OmniWeb-2.5-S.tar.gz ). Thanks again,
Guy
Quote from: "guydestefano"This sounds super, problem is, I am a fast learner, with long term memory loss. In short, I don't remember how to do the above. I used to have a modem on the NeXT, but movers lost the box containg the modem and the 2.88 floppy drive that I had. If you would please list items a,b,c on the above, I will do them, and greatly appreciate all of your help. BTW, file I downloaded is ( OmniWeb-2.5-S.tar.gz ). Thanks again,
Guy
OK I did this on Mac OS X but it's exactly the same for NeXT, anything at the
ftp> prompt is what I entered.
QuoteLast login: Sun Nov 19 16:20:45 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
You have new mail.
Pismo:~ brams$ ftp
ftp> open
(to) peak.org
Connected to peak.org.
220 FTP Server ready.
Name (peak.org:brams): anonymous
331 Anonymous login ok, send your complete email address as your password.
Password:
230 User anonymous logged in.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> cd pub/next-ftp/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb
250 CWD command successful
ftp> ls
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||55119|)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
drwxrwxr-x 5 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 .
drwxrwxr-x 14 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 ..
drwxrwxr-x 2 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 OmniWeb.1.0
drwxrwxr-x 2 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 OmniWeb.2.5
drwxrwxr-x 2 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 OmniWeb.2.7
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 502 May 10 1997 README
226 Transfer complete.
ftp> cd OmniWeb.2.5
250 CWD command successful
ftp> ls
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||55122|)
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
drwxrwxr-x 2 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 .
drwxrwxr-x 5 next-ftp next-ftp 4096 Dec 21 1999 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 1320601 May 10 1997 OmniWeb.2.5.H.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 1208718 May 10 1997 OmniWeb.2.5.I.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 1155194 May 10 1997 OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 3454847 May 10 1997 OmniWeb.2.5.NIHS.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 next-ftp next-ftp 1262884 May 10 1997 OmniWeb.2.5.S.tar.gz
226 Transfer complete.
ftp> get OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz
local: OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz remote: OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||55127|)
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz (1155194 bytes)
11% |**** | 126 KB 6.68 KB/s 02:29
It would seem from the file you downloaded above, that you have gotten the SPARC version, as indicated by the S suffix. You'd want the quad fat (NIHS) or N version for NeXT m68k.
brams
Thank you very much for the detailed instructions on how to ftp the file I need. I remember attaching an external modem ( believe it was Hayes 9600 Baud ). I believe I need to purchase a modem, ( will an external 56K ) modem work? I currently have a network which consists of (2) PC's w/WinXP, (1) Xyztel DSL bridged modem, (1) Linksys SD2008, and (1) Cisco PIX 501. I do not believe I can connect the NeXT to this network, so I have to use it as a standalone system. Once I purchase the modem, which program do I call in to dial out to the Internet, or just to dial out to the ftp site you mentioned. Again thank you for all of your patience and help.
Guy
These people have SCSI terminators for $1.00
http://www.tannerelectronics.com/I have bought a ton of them there and they work with NeXT's.
Quote from: "guydestefano"Thank you very much for the detailed instructions on how to ftp the file I need. I remember attaching an external modem ( believe it was Hayes 9600 Baud ). I believe I need to purchase a modem, ( will an external 56K ) modem work? I currently have a network which consists of (2) PC's w/WinXP, (1) Xyztel DSL bridged modem, (1) Linksys SD2008, and (1) Cisco PIX 501. I do not believe I can connect the NeXT to this network, so I have to use it as a standalone system. Once I purchase the modem, which program do I call in to dial out to the Internet, or just to dial out to the ftp site you mentioned. Again thank you for all of your patience and help.
Guy
Guy
The NeXT will most certainly be able to connect to your network, not sure on what the models of things you already have are but as long as you've got a router and a hub and a spare RJ45 I'd think it is possible, when I got my first slab years ago it took me very little time to get it hooked and working on the 'net. You can find excellent instructions on how to go about it *
here* (
http://idisk.mac.com/brams-Public/NeXT)
Not sure when the last time you surfed the 'net on a cube was but be warned don't hold your breath waiting for any wonders, the pace is somewhat glacial to say the least. I don't even bother with mine for that purpose, my 840av is quicker than the NeXT and is extremely slow with Netscrape 4.0.8
brams
Fantastic. That will be my project this evening. The PIX 501 is a firewall, and the Linksys is an unmanaged 8 port GB switch. Both PC's have 1GB cards. I have printed out the .pdf file you have listed, and will follow those instructions tonight. I have my network set up using a static IP address. I can figure out most of the instructions, except the part where it states I need a domain name ( ie.. cable.modem.com ). On the PC's I have a group name [ WORKGROUP ]. I do not have a server, both computers and my laptop all see each other. I am able to transfer files back & forth etc.. This machine is named [ IBM-F27E440312F ], does this become the hostname and [ WORKGROUP ] become the domain name. Other than that, it looks almost clear to me. Thanks again for your much valued help.
Guy
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Fantastic. That will be my project this evening. The PIX 501 is a firewall, and the Linksys is an unmanaged 8 port GB switch. Both PC's have 1GB cards. I have printed out the .pdf file you have listed, and will follow those instructions tonight. I have my network set up using a static IP address. I can figure out most of the instructions, except the part where it states I need a domain name ( ie.. cable.modem.com ). On the PC's I have a group name [ WORKGROUP ]. I do not have a server, both computers and my laptop all see each other. I am able to transfer files back & forth etc.. This machine is named [ IBM-F27E440312F ], does this become the hostname and [ WORKGROUP ] become the domain name. Other than that, it looks almost clear to me. Thanks again for your much valued help.
Guy
Are we talking about resolv.conf?
I think just for the purpose of getting the NeXT on the 'net that whatever name you put in there is not going to make a lot of difference. I just put the dynamic DNS name I use for my network but I think it does not matter to be honest.
brams
I am connected to the network. On my main PC I use IPscan, and it list all the machines, including 010, the NeXT. Two quick questions, (1). How do I get into the ftp> as you listed on your instructions. (2). I tried to use the ( Mail ) app, to send myself an e-mail. It came back as (Returned Mail: Host unknown. 550 Host unknown, ( Authoratative answer from name server ). I know I must set in the parameters for the earthlink mail service, but do not know where to enter it in the NeXT. Thanks again very much. There really is a Santa Claus.
Guy
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I am connected to the network. On my main PC I use IPscan, and it list all the machines, including 010, the NeXT. Two quick questions, (1). How do I get into the ftp> as you listed on your instructions. (2). I tried to use the ( Mail ) app, to send myself an e-mail. It came back as (Returned Mail: Host unknown. 550 Host unknown, ( Authoratative answer from name server ). I know I must set in the parameters for the earthlink mail service, but do not know where to enter it in the NeXT. Thanks again very much. There really is a Santa Claus.
Guy
Guy,
Use FTP in Terminal.app, just open Terminal, >ftp >open >hostname and away you go. When you've finished type close to shutdown the ftp connection cleanly.
NeXT mail, to be honest it's aeons ago since I set it up and I still have the same .Mac email address so it's such a long time ago I cannot remember, I know it's more complex than a normal email client than Outlook Express or Eudora for example, I think you need to add to ability to read pop mail boxes as NeXT's Mail.app expects NeXT mail by default.
I also have that many machines in daily use that I have to use IMAP to keep track of my email and I'm not sure if Mail.app supports IMAP maybe somebody better versed than I can jump in and help you with this.
I suppose it's also possible that the DNS entry is wrong in resolv.conf. Can you open Terminal.app and ping: www.apple.com if you don't get a reply ping: 17.112.152.32 (both point to Apple Computer) if you get a reply from the ip number your DNS is not working. If you don't get a reply from the number then you're not communicating with the gateway/router or you are on the wrong subnet or something, bad/unplugged cable. If you got a reply from both of them DNS and everything else is working fine.
Open Terminal.app on the NeXT see if you can ping your router or another of your machines.
You could maybe also use nslookup to see what that returns for your DNS servers.
brams
Getting closer. Here is where I am now.
( Current Machine Address )
/etc/ping 192.168.1.10 =
64 Bytes from 192.168.1.10 icmp seq=1 time=1 ms
64 Bytes from 192.168.1.10 icmp seq=2 time=1 ms
. .
. .
( Current Gateway Address )
/etc/ping 192.168.1.1 =
64 Bytes from 192.168.1.1 icmp seq=1 time=2 ms
64 Bytes from 192.168.1.1 icmp seq=2 time=2 ms
. .
. .
/etc/ping 17.112.152.32: = 56 Data Bytes
No reply back
/etc/ping www.apple.com
No reply back
/usr/ucb/netstat -rn
Routing Table
Destination------------Gateway
127.0.0.1-------------- 127.0.0.1
default----------------- 192.168.1.1
192.168.1 ------------ 192.168.1.10
I'll keep plugging away. I believe that the firewall may not let me ping outside of my network. I can ping all addresses within the network perfectly. Thanks for all of your help, I'm getting closer with each step.
Guy[/b]
I've been following along with this curiously, as I have been working to get my NeXTstation online on and off for the last month or so. Not with any drive or anything, just in my spare time. guydestefano is now at the same point that I am, with the exact same ping results.
Here's hoping brams can save us!
Quote from: "guydestefano"/etc/ping www.apple.com
No reply back
Guy
Think I gave you bad info here, it's not www.apple.com as mine does not get the ping to bounce back. I think it's apple.com.
If you can ping the other machines then your on the home run. I'd suggest you are actullay on the net and as you say the problem lies with the firewall, can you set the NeXT's IP on the firewall as a DMZ until you get it on the net known to be working and when you know it's configured then config the router.
In the previous FTP examples I gave you ftp.peak.org try and FTP into that, if it does not work, then try and FTP into:69.59.192.18 which is the same thing just the IP number not the DNS name. If it connects your DNS entery is not working. I just usually put my router IP in on both my networks as my primary DNS server.
brams
Thanks to your very detailed instructions, I am almost there.
The /etc/ping apple.com results in Unknown Host
Do I need the app ( Configure.app ) I try to click on it and it states
Error - Workspace couldn't startup this application, because it is damaged.
Now the good part:
myhost>
myhost> ftp
ftp>
ftp> open
(to) 69.59.192.18
Connected to 69.59.192.18
220 ftp server ready
Name (69.59.192.18:me): anonymous
331 Anonymous Login ok, Send your complete e-mail address as your password
Password:
I entered xxx@santaclaus.net
230 User anonymous logged in
ftp> cd pub/next-ftp/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb
250 CWD Command Successful
ftp> ls
200 Port Command Successful
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
.
..
OmniWeb.1.0
OmniWeb.2.5
OmniWeb.2.7
README
226 Transfer Complete 54 bytes received in 0.07 seconds (0.75 kbytes/s)
This is as far as I have reached at this point. Is my email address not in an acceptable list, as soon as I entered it, the commands were different than yours.
This is very good progress. Thanks for all of your help.
Guy
Quote from: "guydestefano"
The /etc/ping apple.com results in Unknown Host
Do I need the app ( Configure.app ) I try to click on it and it states
Error - Workspace couldn't startup this application, because it is damaged.
Now the good part:
myhost>
myhost> ftp
ftp>
ftp> open
(to) 69.59.192.18
Connected to 69.59.192.18
220 ftp server ready
Name (69.59.192.18:me): anonymous
331 Anonymous Login ok, Send your complete e-mail address as your password
Password:
I entered guydestefano at earthlink.net
230 User anonymous logged in
ftp> cd pub/next-ftp/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb
250 CWD Command Successful
ftp> ls
200 Port Command Successful
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
.
..
OmniWeb.1.0
OmniWeb.2.5
OmniWeb.2.7
README
226 Transfer Complete 54 bytes received in 0.07 seconds (0.75 kbytes/s)
This is as far as I have reached at this point. Is my email address not in an acceptable list, as soon as I entered it, the commands were different than yours.
This is very good progress. Thanks for all of your help.
Guy
Good news, looks like your working, looks like you logged in and transferred that file OK, seems to me like resolv.conf is mucked up. You did save the file as plain text and not RTF did you?
If I was you, I'd delete it and start with a new one, if it's not EXACTLY as it should be (wrong file name, note it's resolv.conf not resolve.conf, even an extra space could do it) and it does not exist by default.
Configure.app is not for m68k NeXT, AFAIK it's for HP-PA, SPARC and i486. That error you mentioned is typical of running the wrong binary on the wrong platform.
The point I was making with the FTP was that, it proves your connection, firewall, subnet etc etc are OK because it works when you don't use the DNS service, if you now use the domain name and it does not work then it proves that DNS is screwed up.
You use your email addy in anonymous FTP as password as it's considered good manners, it should not actually make any difference what you put, for example me@here.co.uk should work equally well.
So delete resolv.conf and try again, that should be that I think.
EDIT.
I should also add that to download the file you need to "get" it
man ftp for more info.
brams
Eureka.. I have sucessfully downloaded the file. It currently resides in
( me/OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz ). I think I am supposed to unpack/install it, but I forgot how. I tried Installer.app, but in the folder ( /me ) the file does not appear, although it does appear in the Workspace directory listing. Also I have seacrhed for the file ( resolv.conf ), and could not locate that either. Thanks again very much. This is great.
Guy
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Eureka.. I have sucessfully downloaded the file. It currently resides in
( me/OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz ). I think I am supposed to unpack/install it, but I forgot how. I tried Installer.app, but in the folder ( /me ) the file does not appear, although it does appear in the Workspace directory listing. Also I have seacrhed for the file ( resolv.conf ), and could not locate that either. Thanks again very much. This is great.
Guy
Guy
OK all these things are easy, what strikes me here is that you're still using the me/guest account?. You really need to set up an account for yourself and set the root password. Have you used Unix or Linux before?
OK if you can't find resolv.conf then that explains why you can't connect to any sites using DNS names (or ping apple.com), the operating system on your cube has no idea where to look for DNS servers as you didn't create the resolv.conf file like the "how to says" you should!
Please re-read the TCP/IP config.pdf you downloaded, if followed clearly it will not fail you.
In the case of trying to decompress OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz you need to do this, after you CD (changed directory) into the correct folder.
gzip -d OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz
Then
tar -xvf OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar
We're getting there slowly I think :-)
On one of your earlier posts, you put your email addy in the post, that ain't such a good idea, bots go trawling website looking for email addys and then you get spammed out of existance for the rest of you life so please edit it out.
brams
Thanks for the email suggestion, I was unaware. I have edited out my original post, but can not edit out your quote of my message. In the future I will be more careful. The only use of Unix I have is the small amount I had on the NeXT Cube about fifteen years ago. Past years have been with the other OS. I do try what I can before I post, please don't give up on me. I did setup the resolv file, except that it ended up in [ /me/etc/resolv.conf ]. I don't understand what happened, but before I setup myhost, upon startup I used to get the screen to enter U/N & P/W, which as setup by Rob @ Blackhole, Inc were root/root. Now it just loads the main screen, no U/N-P/W. Also I used to, get the bin, dev, etc, lib, files, now there are just a few directory listings, to get them I go to finder and enter /etc. It then loads all the missing directory files. I tried the gzip -d /me/OmniWeb.2.5.N.tar.gz and received the message [ Invalid compressed data - format violated ]. One thing I noticed in your listing, after the line 230 User anonymous logged in, it was followed by two lines. One was Remote system type is UNIX, and the second line was Using binary mode to transfer files. I did not get either line. Is this a parameter that I need to set? Thanks again for all your time and effort you are spending, It is very much appreciated.
Guy
brams
Got it!!!!. I downloaded UNIX commands, found ftp ( binary ). Did that, it downloaded, gz'ed tar'ed and is working. Can I get rid of the /me directory, and have it U/N & P/W and be at root. I find that I can not save files, as it says I don't have permissions. Thanks
Guy
Quote from: "guydestefano"brams
Got it!!!!. I downloaded UNIX commands, found ftp ( binary ). Did that, it downloaded, gz'ed tar'ed and is working. Can I get rid of the /me directory, and have it U/N & P/W and be at root. I find that I can not save files, as it says I don't have permissions. Thanks
Guy
Guy
No problem at all, only to happy to help sombody who wants to use a cube.
Now the fog is beginning to clear with this, I had assumed you had lots of experience with what you where doing.
Have you installed OPENSTEP recently?, you've lost your user account by the sound of things and that's why the config is not working to good. Things like networking need to be set up using the root admin account.
As we speak I'm installing OS 4.2 in VPC so I can run things by myself to get and idea what to do. It might be easier if we did this using MSN or iChat or somthing.
But what you need to do, first of all, is set a password for the me account (Preferences.app), that will bring up the login panel when you log out. Login as root and then set up resolv.conf and put it in /etc. Make sure you save it as plain text and not RTF. Reboot and that should be OK.
Where you downloaded the TCP/IP I have the NeXT admin book, that tells you about how to create user accounts. Not sure if you are supposed to delete me, I usually do but I read you are not supposed to for some reason or other.
Let me know how it goes.
brams
P.S I did doctor the email addy in my quote.
brams
Everything is working great. I have set up a password, and now the user account box came up, and allowed me to use the root account to change the /me/etc/resolv.conf to be /etc/resolv.conf. I now can use ftp, gzip and tar. The file downloading works pretty fast, but as you suggested, I will definitely forget about using the NeXT/OmniWeb for browsing. I will stay with my other DSL connected system for that. You have been a tremendously helpful, clearly stating, and very patient teacher. For this I am eternally grateful. Thank you very much.
Guy
Quote from: "guydestefano"You have been a tremendously helpful, clearly stating, and very patient teacher. For this I am eternally grateful. Thank you very much.
Guy
Wow, thanks for the kind words, glad to have been of service. I'm going to show my wife this post ;-), see if she agrees!
You'd be better making a user account. Root is too powerful for everyday things and it's easy to kill your system by altering something or deleting a file - I know I've done it many times :-)