Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW

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Title: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: SpaceRat2k on May 03, 2024, 02:16:13 PM
To: All NeXT Community

Sorry I have not been active lately. I been dealing with serius health issues. My Left arm was paralysed by a vaccine injection gone wrong. They injected my tinnitus and Shingles shot in wrong spot in my arm and ripped my rotator cup in half. Then I contracted MERSA as well as my blood had gone toxic. So been in and out of the hospital. Enough said....

I am looking for a MIDI box that works with a NeXT Black HW. So I can use my vintage synths like my Korg, Roland, ARP, Moog, Sequential, E-MU and Kurwiel

Any help in finding a midi device and software to support it! Would be greatly apriciated.

Thank you in advance,

SpaceRat
Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: user341 on May 04, 2024, 10:52:33 AM
Wow, so sorry to hear you had a rough run there. Hoping you have a full and speedy recovery!
Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: sappas on May 12, 2024, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SpaceRat2k on May 03, 2024, 02:16:13 PMTo: All NeXT Community

I am looking for a MIDI box that works with a NeXT Black HW. So I can use my vintage synths like my Korg, Roland, ARP, Moog, Sequential, E-MU and Kurwiel



Do you try the Apple MIDI Interface for Apple // Gs but it share serial port with Next
number A9M0103 i think there no need driver it's some connections

Sorry for your disease,

Best regards
Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: cuby on May 12, 2024, 02:22:14 PM
Since I'm playing around with MIDI on an Atari ST at the moment, the topic of MIDI on NeXTs is, of course, interesting...

It seems that Apple MIDI interfaces worked on the 030 Cube's RS-422 port but the 68040-based NeXT machines changed the serial port to RS-423 using a different pinout.

This 1991 Usenet article (https://usenet.trashworldnews.com/?thread=768366) gives the pinout for an adapter cable (note that you still need a Mac-to-MIDI interface such as this one (https://www.next.gr/circuits/apple-macintosh-midi-interface-schematic-basic-version-l28623.html)):

From the NeXT documentation (man zs):
     Mini-din signals on 68030 systems

     Pin   Signal
     1     DTR       Data Terminal Ready
     2     DCD       Data Carrier Detect
     3     TXD-      Transmit Data Minus
     4     GND       Signal Ground
     5     RXD-      Receive Data Minus
     6     TXD+      Transmit Data Plus
     7     A: RTXC   Receive Clock
   B: +5v    +5 volts
     8     RXD+      Receive Data Plus

     Mini-din signals on 68040 systems

     Pin   Signal
     1     DTR      Data Terminal Ready
     2     DCD      Data Carrier Detect
     3     TXD      Transmit Data
     4     GND      Signal Ground
     5     RXD      Receive Data
     6     RTS      Request To Send
     7     RTXC     Receive Clock
     8     CTS      Clear To Send



        68040 side      --      MIDI side
      (DTR,RTS) 1,6     --      1 (DTR)
  (DCD) 2       --      2 (DCD)
          (TXD) 3       --      3 (TXD-)
      (GND,CTS) 4,8     -- 4,6,8 (GND,TXD+,RXD+)
  (RXD) 5 -- 5 (RXD-)
Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: sappas on May 12, 2024, 02:52:40 PM
You have midi-in and midi-out and i don't see what is the schema in twice case
Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: cbrunschen on May 17, 2024, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: SpaceRat2k on May 03, 2024, 02:16:13 PMI am looking for a MIDI box that works with a NeXT Black HW. So I can use my vintage synths like my Korg, Roland, ARP, Moog, Sequential, E-MU and Kurwiel

Any help in finding a midi device and software to support it! Would be greatly apriciated.

IIRC, most MIDI interfaces built for 68k-based Macs should also work with black NeXT hardware – both after all support MIDI's 32500 bits per second speed on their serial ports, and have more or less compatible serial ports – such as the one attached, which includes not only schematic but also a PCB layout.

For more functionality there's this (https://0110.be/posts/USB_MIDI_interface_for_the_NeXTCube_-_ISPW_board) which not only exposes traditional serial MIDI, but also MIDI over USB.

Title: Re: Looking for MIDI interface for NeXT black HW
Post by: emond on July 14, 2024, 10:47:32 AM
Look here  ;)  https://mustudio.fr/category/next/

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