Some NeXT paraphernalia

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Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 05, 2007, 02:16:06 AM
This photo isn't so good, but it's a preview of what I'll be showing at some point (when I have time for better photos and more space to lay things out), and some of the items that I'll be sharing with the rest of the NeXT fans. (In case you've not seen the rare cube these came with, the link is: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=664)  I'll also be scanning many of these at some point (I realize some are "plain" or common, but there are a few that I bet nobody else has...)

EDIT: let's try my hand at BBcode
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Title: Re: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: pergamon on April 05, 2007, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: "da9000"This photo isn't so good, but it's a preview of what I'll be showing at some point (when I have time for better photos and more space to lay things out), and some of the items that I'll be sharing with the rest of the NeXT fans. I'll also be scanning many of these at some point (I realize some are "plain" or common, but there are a few that I bet nobody else has...)

http://picasaweb.google.com/adonisoamigas/NeXTParaphernalia/photo#5049833883193679218

You've got to scan the NRW Manufacturing Overview first!
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 05, 2007, 01:02:51 PM
Hey Pergamon,

I definitely will scan that puppy! :)  (any idea what the R and W  stand for? W could be for workshop, not sure though) I've not had a chance to go through it carefully, but there seem to be diagrams for parts and machines never released. For example, there seem to be a couple motherboard designs that contain some (all?) of the cube/station core logic chipsets, yet the layout of the board is _completely_ different from what's inside a cube or a station!

I've also never seen a color laser printer (in real life), yet I have both the brochures for it and also the Canon repair/tech manuals for it. I also have the repair/tech manual for the N4006 with all the schematics etc. I'll have to check on channelu.com to see if they're already there..

There are also many (like laminated) re-prints of various magazine articles just for company employees, etc.

Anything duplicate I'll probably 'redistribute'.

Is there any interest NEXTWORLD magazines? Or are these common all over the place?
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: pergamon on April 05, 2007, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: "da9000"
I definitely will scan that puppy! :)  (any idea what the R and W  stand for? W could be for workshop, not sure though) I've not had a chance to go through it carefully, but there seem to be diagrams for parts and machines never released. For example, there seem to be a couple motherboard designs that contain some (all?) of the cube/station core logic chipsets, yet the layout of the board is _completely_ different from what's inside a cube or a station!

That'd be the NeXT RISC Workstation, most likely.  Indeed unreleased, and much different from anything else.  I suppose it could be a different "NRW", but in any case, you've certainly got something hard to find there.

Quote from: "da9000"
I've also never seen a color laser printer (in real life), yet I have both the brochures for it and also the Canon repair/tech manuals for it. I also have the repair/tech manual for the N4006 with all the schematics etc. I'll have to check on channelu.com to see if they're already there..

Are you sure it is for a laser printer?  NeXT sold a SCSI color inkjet printer...

Any schematics and repair info is certainly good to get out there too.

Quote from: "da9000"
There are also many (like laminated) re-prints of various magazine articles just for company employees, etc.

Anything duplicate I'll probably 'redistribute'.

Is there any interest NEXTWORLD magazines? Or are these common all over the place?

Fairly common, depending on the issue.  The first issue is harder to find.  I think I have almost all of them now, but I'll have to check.  I'm sure some people are looking for many issues.

And I'll go on the record as being interested in any duplicate items you might have to "redistribute" ;)
Title: Some rare NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 05, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: "pergamon"
That'd be the NeXT RISC Workstation, most likely.  Indeed unreleased, and much different from anything else.  I suppose it could be a different "NRW", but in any case, you've certainly got something hard to find there.

OH F***!!!
No wonder the schematics are completely different! And no wonder the word "Confidential" is all over the cover. It's dated 1992 if that makes it more valid.


Quote from: "pergamon"
Are you sure it is for a laser printer?  NeXT sold a SCSI color inkjet printer...

Any schematics and repair info is certainly good to get out there too.

No, I'm not so sure it's a laser printer. I'll check again. It's probably what you're saying, the inkjet.

Yes, the schematics will be released publically for sure. I want the NeXT machines to make it to the next century if possible :)

Quote from: "pergamon"
Fairly common, depending on the issue.  The first issue is harder to find.  I think I have almost all of them now, but I'll have to check.  I'm sure some people are looking for many issues.

Yeah, I've got the complete volumes 1-3 I believe and a couple missing from volume 4. And a duplicate: Winter 1992 Volume 2 Issue 4

Quote from: "pergamon"
And I'll go on the record as being interested in any duplicate items you might have to "redistribute" ;)

I'll keep you posted. I'll probably also "redistribute" some of the non-duplicates. But don't know when I'll be able to do that, because I'd like to first read them carefully and make some scans, because who knows if the next (no pun intended) owner's house ends up in a flood or hurricane storm! :)
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: helf on April 05, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
wow! please do get all this online!

Pretty interesting stuff.

Bit off topic, but it would be awesome if we could get an "ok" from Apple ti distribute NS/OS cd images and make a dvd set with all the videos, images, documents etc that are floating around. I would definitely buy something like that.
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 05, 2007, 08:32:16 PM
Pergamon, you were right! This manual is definitely for the famed "phantom" RISC Workstation at NeXT! Check it out:

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextcomputers.org%2Fwebpics%2Fforum_members%2Fda9000%2FIMG_2245.JPG
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: crimsonRE on April 12, 2007, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: "helf"wow! please do get all this online!

Pretty interesting stuff.

Bit off topic, but it would be awesome if we could get an "ok" from Apple ti distribute NS/OS cd images and make a dvd set with all the videos, images, documents etc that are floating around. I would definitely buy something like that.

Probably won't ever happen - NeXT incorporated a lot of other companies' (copyrighted) software within NextStep. For instance, the imaging model is Adobe's Display PostScript. So it'll be highly unlikely that all these companies will be willing to go through the legal gyrations required to free all this stuff up, no matter that it is all 'obsolete'.
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 12, 2007, 03:18:46 PM
That's unfortunately true, as CrimsonRE says, so the only way to have it done is as a fan-initiated project. Now only to find some time!
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: Andreas on April 12, 2007, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: "da9000"Pergamon, you were right! This manual is definitely for the famed "phantom" RISC Workstation at NeXT!

double-Wow! Nice Stuff and pleeeeeeaaaase: scan this rare document.
(and if you like to sell it, contact me, hehehehe :-)))
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 12, 2007, 04:45:17 PM
I will definitely scan it, but when I get a little bit of time. For now it's safely and carefully stored someplace :)
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: emond on April 12, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
Nice ;)

about the Motorola 88100 RISC CPU see this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_88000
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: pentium on April 12, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Hey, by chance did the NRW book come with your NeXT "Personal Mainframe"?
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 12, 2007, 10:01:29 PM
Quote from: "pentium"Hey, by chance did the NRW book come with your NeXT "Personal Mainframe"?

Yes, along with many other goodies!
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: pentium on April 13, 2007, 01:20:56 AM
What are the chances that the cube you have has some sort of relation to the book?

Quotealong with many other goodies!
How do you guys get so lucky? I have to work hard to just find a zip drive and even then I still have to drive halfway to hell to pick it up.
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on April 13, 2007, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: "pentium"What are the chances that the cube you have has some sort of relation to the book?

How do you mean? As in: it's got an RiSC CPU in it? I'm afraid not... Plain ol' 040 as far as my eye could see (and the photos I've put up)

Quote from: "pentium"
How do you guys get so lucky? I have to work hard to just find a zip drive and even then I still have to drive halfway to hell to pick it up.

I will admit, I was very very lucky to find THIS cube and friends, but, at the same time it wasn't luck in finding a cube and friends: I've been looking to get my own black NeXT hardware since around 1997, when I first beheld one of these machines in my sights. I became obsessed right then and there, at my univ. comp. lab. Nobody paid attention to them, they would just look at you and keep on humming away. When I found a friend had 2 of them, I was immediately taking steps to have one come to my place. His father passed away a few years before and the machines were still password protected. As an aspiring Unix "hacker", I wanted to try my hand on them. Finally figured out how to use the ROM menu and single usered into the machine and was able to take over. The other machine had no HDD, and we had no SCSI CDROM, so I actually devised the "dd method" myself (using Linux's dd to dump the CDROM image directly to a SCSI hdd and thus fool the NeXT into thinking it's a bootable CDROM!) and was able to install a fresh copy of NeXTSTEP on a newer and much faster 3.5" SCSI disk (IBM I think it was). My friend let me keep that one for a while. I did a lot of my programming homework on that machine, simply because I was in love with the keyboard. One of the best (actually, the best ever) keyboards as far as tactile sense and feel! I would use the NeXT as a terminal and run the CPU-heavy assignments on my SMP Linux boxes via telnet/ssh. The machine was a beast! I had it running for around 180 days, and the only reason I shut it down was because I needed to swap out the multi-plug it was plugged into! I remember I took a screenshot of that, with some cursewords included for Bill Gay-tes and co.

For years since I returned that machine (after of course I fixed it up, installed Doom and a whole slew of GNU tools, and also backed up any important software), I dreamt of getting my very own. Finally it happened, but I digressed: it took long long searching.. I'd be crawling various sites, ebay, and craigslist to find any sorta deal. I've had my share of driving to hell and back to get some hardware. There was  once a great freebie: NeXT cube, printer and color monitor (maybe dimension too), at a locked garage, about 50+ miles away. I saw the ad about 30 mins after initial posting. Got up and left immediately. Unfortunately, by the time I got there and $10 of gas later, all I found was a rummaged, garbage filled garage and only a lone 17" B&W Megapixel display :~( Needless to say I took whatever dose of NeXT I could, and cursed all the way back home... This has happened a bunch of times with other items, and part of the reason I don't take CL too seriously... People are unreliable and never think about the cost of going to pickup something and realizing it's gone. Anyways, as always some luck helps! :)

Keep the faith. Keep the passion. Keep the desire. And you will be rewarded one day. (also, while I couldn't get myself any black hardware, I settled for running NS x86 on my Pentium Pro machine. Mighty fine! Highly recommended). Good luck!
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: Mike_H on June 25, 2007, 05:16:26 PM
I'd love to see the NRW Manufacturing Overview when you get it scanned.  Very rare stuff.  8)

Thanks
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: da9000 on June 26, 2007, 01:18:02 AM
I'll post them at some point when I have time. They're very interesting reading  to say the least!
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: Nightengale on June 26, 2007, 08:17:10 AM
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Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: mrcaz on June 05, 2008, 05:03:33 AM
I'm looking to repair my NeXT N4006 Monitor which powers down after 30 seconds of switching on.

You mentioned you had the schematic and service manual..

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I also have the repair/tech manual for the N4006 with all the schematics etc. I'll have to check on channelu.com to see if they're already there..

Would you be able to scan and post these somewhere in the file archive www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles ?

I have not been able to locate schematics anywhere with google.

Regards

Caz
Title: Re: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: cubist on June 05, 2008, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: "mrcaz"I'm looking to repair my NeXT N4006 Monitor which powers down after 30 seconds of switching on.

You mentioned you had the schematic and service manual..
Crap.  I missed that original note.  I had a 4006 with the same problem as you.  Suspected a shorted electrolytic so I poked at it a bit but eventually gave up, tossed it and bought an LCD that doesn't frame the video correctly.  Ditto the Hitachi I had.  *sigh*
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: mrcaz on June 05, 2008, 06:15:14 PM
From googling around, I understand that auto power down is from cathode ray tube anode over-voltage detection circuit designed to prevent overdose of x-rays. Possible cause can be either 1. too many volts from low voltage switched mode power supply, 2. problem with over-voltage detection circuit, 3. problem with high voltage circuit driven from low voltage switched mode power supply. Any of these can be caused by open open or closed circuit capacitor or resistor amongst other things.

http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/monfaq.htm

Regards

Caz
Title: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: mrintel on January 01, 2010, 06:21:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, has the NRW Manufacturing Overview been scanned yet? And if so, has it been posted somewhere?
Title: Bumpity-bump-bump
Post by: itomato on May 05, 2013, 09:33:07 PM
NRW Scans?
Title: Re: Some NeXT paraphernalia
Post by: TristinAEvans on October 06, 2023, 01:52:42 PM
The ONE person in the world that seems to have the damn service manual for the N4006 and it was never archived. FML

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