NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay

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Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: nextchef on May 04, 2007, 02:35:47 PM
So what is this?  Is it just promotional info, or does it actually contain a copy of NEXTSTEP?  One of the small brown boxes appears to be a V3 software set, but am not sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEXTSTEP-ADVANTAGE-KIT-USERS-GUIDE-INCLUDED-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ190109693539QQihZ009

And it appears a certain someone from here has placed a bid on it.

Chef
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: rjones on May 06, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
Not sure either but will let ya know if i win

like any kind of Next info software hardware

RobT>ebayer>djtrashcollector<
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: zxspectrum on May 06, 2007, 11:55:13 AM
i never understood what is the point in bidding 4 days in advance???? you are only increasing the item price...
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 06, 2007, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: "zxspectrum"i never understood what is the point in bidding 4 days in advance???? you are only increasing the item price...

To scare off potential bidders? :?  I'm also interested in the answer/intent :)
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 06, 2007, 07:05:52 PM
This is my reasoning...

I really want the item and have the spare cash = bidding on the last 30seconds to a minute.

I want the item but shouldn't really spend the money = I bid what I'm willing to spend 4 days in advance an dnot touch it till the auction is over. Better chance of me not wasting my money ;)


basically, I can't control my spending, so I compromise! ;D
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 06, 2007, 07:10:36 PM
Yeah,

that makes sense helf. I think that's what I do sometimes as well.
Title: @ helf.
Post by: zxspectrum on May 06, 2007, 07:17:34 PM
..."I want the item but shouldn't really spend the money = I bid what I'm willing to spend 4 days in advance an dnot touch it till the auction is over. Better chance of me not wasting my money ;) "

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@ helf...but by doing that, you make the item more atractive and just might start a bidding war.

you actually have a less chance of winning the auction and you make it more expensive for us.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 06, 2007, 07:20:55 PM
... and lessen the chance of me actually winning the item PLUS its a win/win for the seller ;D
Title: Re: @ helf.
Post by: da9000 on May 06, 2007, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: "zxspectrum"
@ helf...but by doing that, you make the item more atractive and just might start a bidding war.

you actually have a less chance of winning the auction and you make it more expensive for us.

That makes sense too :)
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 06, 2007, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: "helf"... and lessen the chance of me actually winning the item PLUS its a win/win for the seller ;D

...and thus another form of shill bidding!! :D  Damn you eBay!
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 06, 2007, 07:24:38 PM
I don't do this on NeXT hardware ;)

but nintendo games, watches etc... I'll do that.

If I don't need to buy something thats NeXT related. I don't bid on it.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: nextchef on May 06, 2007, 09:59:18 PM
You also never know if the seller might end the auction early, especially if it is a high starting bid with no other bidders.


Chef
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: kenjay on May 06, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"You also never know if the seller might end the auction early, especially if it is a high starting bid with no other bidders. Chef

No way. eBay doesn' work that way. Even the seller doesn't know what the actual bids are until the auction is over.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 07, 2007, 01:12:58 AM
Quote from: "kenjay"
No way. eBay doesn' work that way. Even the seller doesn't know what the actual bids are until the auction is over.

As far as I know you can browse to the item's page as a user and see where the auction stands and who are the bidders/high bidder.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: nextchef on May 07, 2007, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: "kenjay"
Quote from: "nextchef"You also never know if the seller might end the auction early, especially if it is a high starting bid with no other bidders. Chef

No way. eBay doesn' work that way. Even the seller doesn't know what the actual bids are until the auction is over.

I meant to say "high starting bid", as you are correct that nobody can see what a user puts as their max bid except them.  I have won more than one item where the user ended the auction early.  Typically the opening bid the seller sets is an amount they are comfortable with getting, and if only one person bids, they may decide that is enough and take it.  Some sellers use it as a sort of back door "Buy It Now" option, as if they were uncertain about doing a BIN from the beginning.  I cant say I understand it, especially now when most bidding happens in the last minute or less.

Chef
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: Nightengale on May 08, 2007, 07:52:45 PM
Maybe some sellers want to sell quickly, not sure. Check out my rant, yes it is a rant, about sniping:

http://blogs.ebay.com/rockster5/entry/Sniping/_W0QQidZ153599014
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: nextchef on May 09, 2007, 09:36:42 AM
I understand your frustration, and I was as mad as you about it in the past, but it is a fact of life on ebay that you will just have to accept.  Just put the max in that you are willing to spend, as late as possible, and hope for the best.  

Chef
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 09, 2007, 09:39:38 AM
As I said before, I do 90% of my bidding in the last few seconds :D

I LOVE sniping!

I don't use those stupid automated services though. I do it by hand. :)
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: nextchef on May 09, 2007, 09:46:12 AM
I use the java app jbidwatcher.  It does the sniping thing, but I really like the way it lets me organize my ebay activity.  Much better than trying to use myebay to keep track of things.

EDIT
jbidwatcher.com
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Chef
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 09, 2007, 09:49:46 AM
hm.. havent heard about that one.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 09, 2007, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: "nextchef"I use the java app jbidwatcher.  It does the sniping thing, but I really like the way it lets me organize my ebay activity.  Much better than trying to use myebay to keep track of things.

Interesting. I'll check it out as well, as I *hate* eBay's interface/site. It's too crowded, too slow and has too many limitations at times.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: rjones on May 13, 2007, 01:51:56 PM
well didn't win but gave it a shoot

Have a GoOoD night/day

RobT
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: Jenne on May 13, 2007, 02:34:57 PM
Although I understand the feelings a bit I have to say one thing:

this is the nature of auctions.

Auctions don't have anything to do with a knight's honorabilty, auctions are games of diversity, subversity and instincts. Auctions are mirrors of human's intention to make the most out of nothing.

Try to see it from this side: if You want to sell something for a honorable price or want to buy something for an acceptable price then You wouldn't ever put something on ebay. A second hand market would be much better even though You will have to wait much longer for an interested person.

I know this is not a satisfying comment at all.

J
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: helf on May 13, 2007, 05:23:12 PM
actually, I find eBays prices on items I buy and item I end up selling quite good. I usually make a profit on what I sell, and I eventually get what I want for a good price. I just have to wait several months before it happens.

There are a lot of things you can only find on ebay, at least easily, for th emost part.
Title: NEXTSTEP ADVANTAGE KIT? on ebay
Post by: da9000 on May 14, 2007, 04:42:10 AM
@Jenne:

Quote from: "helf"actually, I find eBays prices on items I buy and item I end up selling quite good. I usually make a profit on what I sell, and I eventually get what I want for a good price. I just have to wait several months before it happens.

There are a lot of things you can only find on ebay, at least easily, for th emost part.

And also it makes transactions a bit "more safe", since people are forced to have accountability in the eyes of a third party (eBay in this case). So I feel much safer accepting your check, Jenne, or I'll be more comfortable sending you my money, since I know that if something goes wrong, eBay will help me figure things out so I'm not totally cheated.

Of course eBay just happens to be the "big fish" right now, but any such centralized marketplace would provide such services.

Now as for the sniping and stuff, yeah, it can be aggravating at times, but like the folks before said: if you want it REALLY bad, then you'll put a huge bid to acertain. And if you lose, then look at it this way: the guy who won the auction saved you another expenditure :)))))))

Of course, I must admit, I do wish sometimes that I would know the co-bidders and we'd take turns at winning some items, so we didn't have to bid against each other :) So week 1 you buy item X, and then week 2 I buy item X :)  But of course that's all wishful thinking, and surely the sellers will pick up on it one day :)

What is disparaging is seeing huge differentials in selling prices. For example, this thread was about the NeXT Advantage Kit. Now it sold for $50 or so, which I think was a damn good deal, because not too long ago I saw another one go for $200-250 !!!!  Now, that's messed up, because you don't know as a seller or a buyer what "value" your item really has... Of course even if it did have a constant value, nothing precludes the market from changing whims. Blah. What would summer be without winter, huh?

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