Ariel Quint DSP / QuintProcessor

Anybody have information on this board for the NeXT cube?

I know it has four slave DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM, a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip.

I also have enough parts to build one if I could get my hands on a schematic.

Any info appreciated,

-- josé k.

Quote from: "korneluk"Anybody have information on this board for the NeXT cube?

If i remember correctly David Fischbach, a french guy, have this board. But i have to dig out how to contact him. Since he have buyed some things via eBay, maybe some of the sellers from the USA have also an email-adress.

If we get enough information, or an actual board to trace the schematic, I am willing to capture a schematic and lay out a PCB for all to use.

-- josé k.

Quote from: "korneluk"If we get enough information, or an actual board to trace the schematic, I am willing to capture a schematic and lay out a PCB for all to use.

-- josé k.

Could you do this with an Nitro board :-)?

I have never seen a Nitro board. If it is just straight logic, the answer is yes. If there are PALs, GALs, or other programmable logic to reverse engineer it will take longer.

-- josé k.

I found a link with a picture and the description of the IRCAM SPW for the NeXT. Link and pictures here:

http://knorretje.hku.nl/wiki/ISPW





Enjoy,

-- josé k.

Damn son, that's a lot of silicon.

Quote from: "pentium"Damn son, that's a lot of silicon.

Heh, they made'em "fat" in those days! And the hardware*did* deserve the price tag it carried those days!

About ISPW do you see this topic ?

http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=671

best regards,

JB

This is not the Ariel Quint, but, is very similar :
(Google Translation links)

RCN DSP (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.rcn.de/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drcn%2Bde%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_de%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26as_qdr%3Dall)

Quint 56 DSP Card (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.rcn.de/dsp/Quint56.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drcn%2Bde%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_de%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26as_qdr%3Dall)

I have been wishing for some years these were available for PowerMac, and SGI, as well as a mini PCI or PCMCIA for Thinkpads :)

While trying to find the RCN link in Google, I found this, which might also be of interest re music DSPs :
(Google rendered postscript)

Interim DynaPiano (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:89DK2h-b8PUJ:www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/PostScript/IDP.cmj.ps.Z+rcn+quint+dsp56000&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1)

I think is very hard too find one, I think it is home making by Ariel, but only for the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University.

The most interesting link is :
http://www.scandalis.com/Jarrah/PhysicalModels/index.html#StanfordCCRMA

QuoteI also worked on developing a number of Physical Models. These models were developed on a NeXT machine using SynthBuilder (screenshot-1 gif, 68kb, screenshot-2 gif, 55kb) and the NeXT MusicKit running on Motorola 56k DSPs.  We had 3 DSP platforms. The original NeXT machine had an onboard 25Mhz 56k.   Bill Putnam and Tim Stilson also designed a DSP farm known as the Frankenstein box (screenshot-3 gif, 154kb, screenshot-4 gif, 177kb) that had 8 Motorola 56k EVMs over-clocked to 80 MHz connected to a P5 NeXT machine via an ISA interface.  We also had a single card EVM integrated onto an ISA card , known as a "Cocktail Frank" (Tim Stilson and I hand built these). Here are some sound samples, and a brief explanation of each model.

QuoteThe Ariel QuintProcessor is a board that fits into the NeXT cube. It features four "satellite" ("slave") DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM (SRAM), a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip. The Music Kit supports the DSPs, the DSP ports, and the DRAM. It does not currently support the SCSI.

Look these link for more informations :
http://musickit.sourceforge.net/Frameworks/interfaceArielQP.html
and
http://www.koders.com/objectivec/fid09F18D3D0117C96073A15EF82FE75BF92422F4E5.aspx

One good source are the Computer Music Journal, Vol. 15, No. 4, Dream Machines for Computer Music: In Honor of John R. Pierce's 80th Birthday (Winter, 1991), pp. 62-64 :
http://www.jstor.org/jstor/gifcvtdir/ap005168/01489267/ap060053/06a00180_l.1.gif?config=jstor&K=user@user_response/41mAX8SbHy4N.omhvG/40/4kmArwjm/301489267.ap060053.06a00180.0/1GigFFQHyelb9N40B87o.m

Other :

QuoteDigital signal processing is possible on the NeXT computers, both via built-in Motorola 56001 DSP hardware and on three Ariel Quint Processor boards which contribute five additional 56001 processors each.

http://www.o-art.org/history/Computer/CCRMA/C.C.R.M.A..html

Also :
Computer Music Workstations I Have Known and Loved

QuoteThe recent Common Lisp music/Common music (clm/cm) system developed by William Schottstaedt and Heinrich Taube at the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University combines a NeXT "cube" workstation with an Ariel Corp. Quint Processor with five Motorola DSP56001 co-processors (Schottstaedt; Taube). The combined system supports signal synthesis and processing, score description and management, and MIDI capture and performance in a unified Lisp-based environment. This is a powerful state-of-the-art Lisp-based music system. More recently, it has been ported to other Common Lisp platforms, such as Intel-based PCs.

http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/PostScript/icmc.95.CMWS.pdf

Quote from: "emond"I think is very hard too find one, I think it is home making by Ariel, but only for the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University.

The most interesting link is :
http://www.scandalis.com/Jarrah/PhysicalModels/index.html#StanfordCCRMA

QuoteI also worked on developing a number of Physical Models. These models were developed on a NeXT machine using SynthBuilder (screenshot-1 gif, 68kb, screenshot-2 gif, 55kb) and the NeXT MusicKit running on Motorola 56k DSPs.  We had 3 DSP platforms. The original NeXT machine had an onboard 25Mhz 56k.   Bill Putnam and Tim Stilson also designed a DSP farm known as the Frankenstein box (screenshot-3 gif, 154kb, screenshot-4 gif, 177kb) that had 8 Motorola 56k EVMs over-clocked to 80 MHz connected to a P5 NeXT machine via an ISA interface.  We also had a single card EVM integrated onto an ISA card , known as a "Cocktail Frank" (Tim Stilson and I hand built these). Here are some sound samples, and a brief explanation of each model.

QuoteThe Ariel QuintProcessor is a board that fits into the NeXT cube. It features four "satellite" ("slave") DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM (SRAM), a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip. The Music Kit supports the DSPs, the DSP ports, and the DRAM. It does not currently support the SCSI.

Look these link for more informations :
http://musickit.sourceforge.net/Frameworks/interfaceArielQP.html
and
http://www.koders.com/objectivec/fid09F18D3D0117C96073A15EF82FE75BF92422F4E5.aspx

One good source are the Computer Music Journal, Vol. 15, No. 4, Dream Machines for Computer Music: In Honor of John R. Pierce's 80th Birthday (Winter, 1991), pp. 62-64 :
http://www.jstor.org/jstor/gifcvtdir/ap005168/01489267/ap060053/06a00180_l.1.gif?config=jstor&K=user@user_response/41mAX8SbHy4N.omhvG/40/4kmArwjm/301489267.ap060053.06a00180.0/1GigFFQHyelb9N40B87o.m

Other :

QuoteDigital signal processing is possible on the NeXT computers, both via built-in Motorola 56001 DSP hardware and on three Ariel Quint Processor boards which contribute five additional 56001 processors each.

http://www.o-art.org/history/Computer/CCRMA/C.C.R.M.A..html

Also :
Computer Music Workstations I Have Known and Loved

QuoteThe recent Common Lisp music/Common music (clm/cm) system developed by William Schottstaedt and Heinrich Taube at the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University combines a NeXT "cube" workstation with an Ariel Corp. Quint Processor with five Motorola DSP56001 co-processors (Schottstaedt; Taube). The combined system supports signal synthesis and processing, score description and management, and MIDI capture and performance in a unified Lisp-based environment. This is a powerful state-of-the-art Lisp-based music system. More recently, it has been ported to other Common Lisp platforms, such as Intel-based PCs.

http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/PostScript/icmc.95.CMWS.pdf

So I have been asked to broker as in for sale a quint board which is
really cool , the story is this was owned by the original developers Julius O. Smith & David A. Jaffe  of the board and used at Stanford CCRMA. Anyone interested in putting an offer in feel free to pm .  photos , it also works  http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Rare_NeXT_Hardware/ArielQuintprocessor/  and here it is in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15jG1zfx-IM

Best Regards Rob

On eBay now I see.... https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/191819457581

Quote from: "jpm"On eBay now I see.... https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/191819457581

I can negotiate a much better price holy moly !

Quote from: Andreas on June 04, 2007, 04:28:15 AMIf i remember correctly David Fischbach, a french guy, have this board. But i have to dig out how to contact him. Since he have buyed some things via eBay, maybe some of the sellers from the USA have also an email-adress.

No, David, like me, has M860 cards from IRCAM, but no QuintProcessor.